i know of bufotenine (if you consider that a form of dmt) 5 meo dmt, n,n, dmt, but are there anymore naturally occurring forms of dmt? ive heard of a mysterious jungle dmt but i dont know much about it. please, share your knowledge

I'd say 100 percent of the DMT all of us on this forum work with is from natural sources, that being said 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenine are not "other forms" of DMT. DMT is DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenine are different compounds.

ever heard of psilocin, psilocybin, baeocystin, and norbaeocystin?

It's a naturally occurring neurotransmitter. I'm not sure what role it has in plants though. It's interesting how certain scientists postulated that dmt was the substance that connected us with all living creatures in the universe. Perhaps some alien creatures have nothing in common with us except dmt. It doesn't get more natural than that.

It can be synthesised in a lab but lab dmt is out of reach to most of us.

DMT is everywhere, even in rocks and minerals, not just plants and animals. All life forms carry it, and that's a pretty revealing fact. I suspect that DMT really is the spirit molecule, and that it is delivered from the SUN. The force that gives life to the earth is likely the same as an alien creature's.

I also have reason to believe that DMT is the philosopher's stone, connected to our human history and development more than we know. It is the root of alchemy, to transmute a lesser metal or man, into gold. The golden light of the sun

What? Which rocks and minerals contain DMT? Also, how do you suppose a chemical comes from the Sun? Sounds pretty out there...

dmt in rocks? dmt comes from the sun?



dmt isn't mystically produced as-is. it's produced metabolically, from tryptophan.
rocks and minerals don't metabolize tryptophan, neither do sun rays.

Right, I didn't mean that the actual chemical comes from the sun, but obviously the lifeforms here are harnessing an energy from the sun, seems to me the only character to fit the part is DMT. But the sun doesn't beam down hallucinogenic power constantly, it's only giving the precursors for life that the rock, plant or animal has evolved with. Plants, animals and minerals use this energy in different ways, but they all create and utilize DMT.

I think the food-chain and entire life cycle revolves around this, the energy of life is recycled through animals eating other animals/plants. Plants live by the death and recycle of the other plants and animals. The mineral realm I understand the least about, but yea dude rocks and crystals are a primitive life form too.

Absolutely. But it is mystical that purportedly everything produces it. As humans we produce it metabolically, but if you zoom way out to the purpose of life and what could have kick-started that metabolism, you find a huge history of dmt energy-transfer accumulating to this very moment of your existence. The little tadpoles of your ancient bloodline faced similar struggles and desires to live and grow. Life in it's infinite experiment needs a way to feed on energy. Earth is a planet of light, we owe everything to the sun; or if you zoom out further, to the energy that birthed the sun.(I'm suggesting that freebase dmt is our 3-D mineral vessel for this energy)

we can zoom out even further and contend that the sun was the product, as was any other star, of gravity and fusion forces.

dmt is not a product of rocks or the sun. it's the product of an amino acid's metabolism that doesn't necessarily rely on the sun. a person may undergo tryptophan metabolism in the dark, dmt will still be produced. mushrooms produce dmt as an intermediate, and don't require photosynthesis. what's required is a proton donor and methylator

Then your definition of 'life' is a bit too broad for my understanding. Do you have sources for any of these claims?

rocks and minerals aren't life forms at all. they're mostly inorganic salts.

Idk what a methylator is, but I'm fairly certain that the earth is under constant bombardment of protons by the sun. If you're an animal in the dark, you can still breathe and take in elements from the sun in the air. I honestly don't think there's any escaping the influence of the sun on a proton-level.

How do plants synthesize dmt? They would obviously have a much more difficult time growing out of sunlight, but they still get by without an amino acid, don't they? DMT is at least a bi-product of the sun. How does the mushroom know what it needs to live? I don't think it does, but there's still a driving force, a pattern or consciousness to nature that I do think is linked spiritually, through dmt.

They still respond to radiation, they're still a living process.

no, they aren't. living processes involve metabolic/catabolic processes.

and by your rationale, a screwdriver is a product of the sun, and a life form.
life forms require sustenance...soo...what do rocks consume?

How are you reasoning this? Because plants/animals need the Sun in order to sustain life? By this logic, EVERYTHING is a bi-product of the sun.

I never claimed for the truth to be mind-blowing... pretty simple, I know. Yes that's what I'm saying, it's all been created by the sun. Even the screwdriver, a biproduct through man's gift of intention and imagination.

then tell us how the sun made screwdrivers, and dmt.
enlighten us with this 'truth'.


I'd also like to know how inanimate crystalline lattices are considered living things.



before critical thinking (and under the influence of drugs), I may have entertained similar notions

Tell me how you've become a renowned chemist on a self-created community of free-thinking terrestrial entities.

not by developing vague all-inclusive theories. only by experimentation and developing consistent reasoning.