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I have not a clue, I thought about getting some Rhodiola Rosea to test the waters but i ended up getting Mckenna's red caapi strain instead and imo caapi is pretty much the cure for depression for several reasons.

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Nice. You will have to educate me about caapi. I've lots of talk about it and I know it's a component of Aya but can it be used on it's own then?

Can it be taken as a regular supplement or is it more of an occassional thing? How do you take it and is it easy to get hold of in th UK?

How has it helped you with depression?

Cheers

hello Escape, how ya doin?

Caapi is Ayahuasca everything else that goes into the brew is an admixture. Aya can be used on its own and it will take you a very long way and show you increadible things and create immense realisations.

you can take Aya quite frequently in large doses or you can micro dose, its upto you, and i believe it is quite safe to do so as long as you have done your research and know what your doing. There are members of this board who have used caapi daily for periods of upto a year.

you can defo source it from the uk, gimmie a pm for a good supplier

all you need to know about Aya

Thanks 3rdI,

I've done Aya in a ceremonial setting. I'm assuming that just taking caapi will not make me puke or shit myself??

Can you give me an idea about dosages (threshold up to a full blown trip)? And some easy preparation methods? Oh and errr... how do I pm u?!

Nice one

I'm not sure meditation is as good as hard intense weight training, running and cycling for stress busting and usefulness in todays high stress dog eat dog world. Bear in mind that an important factor for depressed people is that exercise not only helps generate endorphines as well as reduce stress hormones, but it also creates an efficient digestive system which helps make the most of your dietary intake. So you get the most out of your food. It's highly empowering, and we all know how we feel great being out and active.

Meditation may be added, but i feel we need to be more active thesedays,as we are super lazy these days compared to b4.

I think if your life isn't a good one or the way you want it, then its normal to be depressed. If this is the case make changes. Really take time out to note your past present and future hopes, for example.

you'll have to do this anyway wether you take psychs or not. Psychs may help distance you from your rut, but it's your lifestyle that is keeping you there, so unless you sort it out, it won't change, iboga or not.

Psychs are part of the solution, the rest of it is your ACTION.

look through the pages i linked to, dosage is quite variable and it depends on the strain of caapi you have and the person taking it.



well its a lottery, you certainly could purge, and in fact i like a good purge and am slightly disapointed if i dont get it , i have yet to experience the arse purge which might not be as pleasant

this is a good brewing guide

i will pm you now

Wise words Christian. I agree with that entirely. It's about creating a balance: Exercise, healthy eating, meditation/reflection, good career and everything else.

I want to use psychadelics as tools to show me the path and to give me the motivation to maintain a balance. It's ironic that whenever we feel depressed, we don't feel like exercising or eating healthy and we are more likely to smoke and drink to escape the problems!

But yeh, relying on any kind of drug/medicine is definately not the answer!

Haha! i find it amazing how much I found inside me to purge from every orophice despite the fact that I was on the dieta for a week and we fasted for several hours before each ceremony! It certainly cleans you out!

What I meant about not wanting to purge was if I was to take it daily!
Cool, I'll check out your links.

Thanks bro

Ok, I'm gunna go ahead and do some research and then I'll get back to you if I have any more questions which I'm sure I will! When it comes to extracting and anything that involves knowledge of chemistry I'm way out of my depth so the simpler the better!

That's just it. When people are depressed, they look for coping stratergies, that are unfortunately usually the wrong ones. When people feel depressed they should focus on getting out and moving, exercising hard., eating good, and relaxing afterwards. It's simple stress busting that's all. When the stress is reduced THEN you are in a better position to look to better ways of living your life. Psychs may help, and may even reveal the REAL cause of your depression. But there won't be getting away from the fact that some changes WILL be necessary. Same actions=same results. Period.

---Give your life "the Gordon Ramsay makeover!"

True dat! Balance is key. I also realise that body follows mind and mind follows body. To behave like a person who is depressed is to be depressed so if we can at least act like we are happy and behave like a happy person would behave, even if we have to pretend, eventually the mind will catch on!

Thanks for your support anyway!

By all means dream, and have great ideas...Then act, act act, act/ Then act some more !!

..Keep on acting untill you get it right, cos it's all about learning through acting and there are no mistakes, so keep on trying till it works. The moment you stop acting is when you need to think positively, then act some more. That is the real secret.

By the way, I'm still a little confused about the whole Caapi/Ayahuasca thing.

This is the way I understand it so please correct me if I'm wrong-
Ayahuasca is the brew made from a combination of 2 plants: one containing DMT (caapi?) and the other which allows the DMT absorbed into the stomach (an MAOI??)

So when people speak of taking caapi alone, how is it that they get an effect from the DMT without combining it with the other component? I would understand if it was smoked or something but I thought it got broken down in the stomach?

This is my limited understanding so please excuse me if I am way off!

Ayahuasca is Caapi alone. It is the "force", and in strong enough doses can become psychadelic itself. It also allows MAO inhibition.Ayahuasca itself doesn't contain DMT, but the ADMIXTURE plants..depending on the TYPE of Ayahuasca.

The other plants containing dmt. that are added are ADMIXTURES, and these are usually called the "light". Sometimes non DMT containing plants are added.

AYAHUASCA is usually a mix of the ayahuasca (vine) and admixture. The admixture dmt plants get absorbed thanks to the ayahuasca mao inhibition.

--This is all in the all about aya thread, or wiki.

Do some reading skilz dude'z!

i can't explain pages of info here in a short paragraph.

Hi,
Glad to hear that you are going to go through with it. Maybe write some questions down to think about during the experience, like asking what is the root cause of your depression etc... As I mentioned before, some soothing music on in the background can really help :-)

Maybe purchase some root bark to microdose for a few months afterword, if you are really concerned. but you may not need it if you are willing to take full advantage of the ibo-glow afterwords.

Definitely exercise and positive 'hobbies' that get you involved with positive people will be hugely beneficial.

As far as meditation, I find that this works:
http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/open.php

Start by focusing on your root chakra about 10-20 minutes every morning for a couple of weeks, and see if you feel more centered.

Ok, that makes sense. I've heard of people making home brews with syrian rue. I've also heard of people having a good time just from drinking a brew made from syrian rue. Thank you both for clearing that up for me. I realise I have a lot more to learn on the subject.
By the way I got some of that rhodiola rosea stuff today! I'll let you know how that goes in a couple of days!

Thanks man, I'm really excited about it. My girlfriend/sitter is not so enthusiastic about it though since she doesn't understand the whole expanding consciousness thing bless her!

I'll check out those links for sure. I would usually practice sitting qigong which involves focusing on the lower dan tien (similar to the navel chakra maybe?) But it would be good to try a different approach.

I should have just over a gram of TA left for possible micro dosing. I really dunno how I'm gunna go about that but maybe I'll just have 100 - 200 mgs in a capsule every other day after the glow wears off or maybe just take it every now and then when my ego tries to take over!

Hey, thanks for the advice. I'm always interested in hearing from people who have experienced Ibo before.

So basically, I have just ordered 5 grams of TA powder which, so I'm told from various sources, is good quality. I'm repeating myself now but I don't want you to have to read through all of my previous posts! I have been advised to take 3.4 grams for a flood dose based on my age, weight etc. I'm told to take 4 - 500mgs every half an hour.

As a student I don't have a great deal of cash so I don't really want to have to shell out for some more for microdosing. Surely I can use the remaining 1.6 grams to micro dose? I mean, presumably, taking very small amounts of TA (50 - 100mgs) every other day could have a similar effect to taking a higher dose of the RB? Anyway, I wasn't neccesarily planning on microdosing before hand (except maybe the day before) so this is a new idea for me. To put it simply, what would be the best way to make use of the 5 grams I have i.e. pre and post flood?

With regards to preparations, I can assure you that it will be taken in the most respectful way possible: meditation and setting intentions before each dose; a playlist of music (I have some mantras which were played after ceremony at the Ayahuasca retreat I went to but I will also check out that Bwiti music); and maybe some relaxing oil incence. I'm thinking about juice fasting for 12 hours beforehand followed by doing an enema to help get me healthy and clean out my system (hopefully it will also mean that I won't have to drag myself to the toilet upstairs)

I don't have any means to take kambo but I only returned from an Ayahuasca retreat a month ago and that cleaned a lot out of my system! And about my girlfriend as a sitter - she is the only person who I would feel close enough to to allow her to be there and for me to not feel awkward if you know what I mean! Whilst she is uneducated in this particular area, she is somewhat intrigued and open minded about it.

How did you feel after a flood dose? What happened when the glow wore off so to speak? Did you address the changes you needed to address? and how long do I need for the initial experience in your opinion? I have to work inbetween my studies so I can only afford 2 full days. If I take it on a Monday morning I'll have to be at work by Weds evening! Is this doable or am I gunna have to pull a sickie?!

Peace

I'm happy to hear it's helped you so much, seems like this bark is the real deal! Have you tried Aya before? I found that I didn't get everything I wanted from it and, whilst I try not to build up my expectations, I'm hoping for some big changes with Ibo. I just hope it's not too much to ask.

7.7 grams of TA? That sounds like an awful lot! Can I still get a decent flood with say, 4 grams? The testimonials on the website indicated that people got what they wanted just by taking what was recommended (usually between 2.5 to 3.5 grams).

I should be okay doing it during the day as I have both blinds and curtains so I'm able to make the room very dark. You mentioned taking 500mgs the night before. Will that not keep me awake? Would I be better taking it earlier on? Is it worth setting aside that half gram and taking it daily in sub-threshold amounts in the days leading up to the flood? What's the most I can take before it will start to effect me (I need to be able to go to work etc)?

Supposing I don't need the full amount, perhaps I can follow the same procedure in the weeks following the flood. Maybe 50mgs every other day?

But yeh, I'll look into getting the rootbark. I know of a source that sells it in tinctures for taking very small sub-threshold doses daily but I am open to any suggestions you may have. Having said that, I'm not really keen on the idea of making brews or doing chemical extractions or anything. I'd rather just take it in tincture or capsule form for convenience.

As a side note - I'd be interested to hear what Mary Poppins has to say about Iboga(that's a sentence I never thought I would ever write!), and also the BancoPuma guy?? Anyway, I think I have to be promoted or something before I can post on the main threads as I am still a new user. Know anything about this?

Haha, i wonder what "Mary Poppins" would say??

I don't have any Iboga experience except for lots of research, and i've read that it should not be used untill every other method of treatment has been shown to not work. I don't care what people say, but people that have been treated and cured for addictions with Iboga have slided back because they didn't have a positive change of lifestyle laid out for them. Iboga isn't the cure, just a tool. Your actions are your cure.

Depression is an illness that will always be waiting to pounce the person who doesn't eat well, exercise regularly , have a healthy work/ life balance, etc, etc... Ayahuasca, Iboga, etc, etc. Clearly there's a lot more to simply taking Iboga and expecting it to cure depression. There's a hell of a lot more than just this. To say otherwise is ignorance.

Good luck with the Kambo. Never heard anyone else reccomend this with Iboga.



Wow, Kambo, you're lucky to be alive. I think this is rather irresponsible to post this actually because high doses can kill, and i don't think we should be printing irresponsability. I urge care with the dosing of Ibogaine, and also in the interests of harm reduction to follow the necessary guidelines when using it.

Some would simply say mind your own business, what went on then was between him and me, and i don't make a habit of speaking down to anyone, unless i'm drunk or sommat, then i apologise where necessary.

I think you're funny Kambo, really.