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My first extraction. I welcome your thoughts Options
 
brownpaperblag
#1 Posted : 7/31/2012 9:17:25 PM

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Sunday, July 29th 2012

I finished my first extraction of N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) yesterday. All went smoothly and surprisingly I got a better than expected yield. Using the naphtha extraction method with a heptane re-crystalisation, I’d estimate around about 1/7th of a gram from 25-30g Mimosa Hostilis root bark. (Approx. 5-6 good hits).
It’s yellower in colour than the one time I’ve bought it but I suspect that what I’d purchased previously was a furmurate salt obtained using methods I’ve not yet explored. I may look into converting mine from a freebase form to a furmurate once I’ve perfected the extraction. The reasons for this being:-
1) The DMT will be purer.
2) It’ll be more stable at room temperature and maintain it’s potency.
3) It’ll be less likely to ‘oxidise’ which I’ve read is a very unpleasant physical experience once smoked, it also degrades the potency of the DMT.

Zero hour…
I had my first hit of this tonight. I’ve been dodging the moment all day mainly because I’m fearful of one past event several months earlier when it went bad in a massive way! I had been drinking alcohol all day and didn’t pay it enough respect. The experience scared me to death! I was kinda wary of what this thing was that I’d extracted and if it was pure enough DMT or if it was going to do me any physical harm.
I loaded a ‘small’ one, approx 1/4th of 1/7th of a gram and fired it up.
The first thing I noticed was that the taste was as expected and it was smoother on the throat than the stuff I’d bought several months previously. I quickly emptied the bong, replaced it on the window sil and laid back to wait for the results.
It started with a hum and a vibration of time and space, gradually getting louder and with it the room began to shake. I’d felt this before and although the onset was rapid and I could feel my heart beginning to pound faster and faster I felt comforted by the familiarity of the onset and exhiliarated by the thought of what was about to happen.
The room shook ever increasingly faster until it dissolved completely, replaced by intricate and infinite geometric patterns of colour and light. The colours were more vivid than I’d experienced previously but there was a blacker ‘background’. I think I may have imposed this characteristic by being apprehensive to begin with but I can’t be sure that this is true.
I closed my eyes and watched the show unfold behind my eyelids and in my mind.
There is a speed to DMT, almost like a hypnotic pulse to the event. Its slow and controlled, It’s welcoming and it wraps itself around me and takes my hand to guide me through the experience.
Within seconds I was blasted from ‘reality’ to a realm beautifully different to the one I usually inhabit. I felt like I was meeting with an old friend, it felt good to be back!
After the initial drop into my DMT experience the ‘images’ started to flash inside my mind – largely indescribable although real at the time often by the time the trip is over I’ve lost the details. It’s a lot like waking from a dream!
The one image that stays with me the most although it was gone as soon as it appeared was that of a face, thin with big eyes, pupil-less and filled with amazing colours, extremely bright and vivid and it was shaped as if pushing out through the patterns toward me, coming face to face with me taking it’s form by manipulating the geometry of its surrounding. There was no mouth and I remember thinking it was wearing what appeared to be a gas mask. Bizzarre, and gone in a moment.
A rapid succession of images almost child like in their form flashes past me to the top right, very, very fast like they’re being fired out toward me but curving away at the last moment away from me. They are what appear to be chemical symbols or suchlike, a strange array of stick drawn insect things also. Alien to me, not like anything I can identify. I’ve heard of these things and I’m wondering if I’m responsible for them being there, is this my mind creating what I’m expecting to see? Filling in the ‘missing’ DMT ‘gaps’ that I have read other people describe on much higher doses of DMT but have not experienced myself. No elves, no dialogue with alien lifeforms, no disection of my physical form. Always just patterns, colours and flashes of images.
There then came the realisation that it was me that was moving and not the images toward me, I must’ve been going at close to light speed toward this glowing white orb in the distance, it slowly elongated and drew me in toward it before wrapping around me and washing over me.

There is a warmth to DMT unlike anything else I have experienced, it’s frightening but comforting at the same time. It feels like home. Ive been here before. I was born here.
I can see people’s faces flashing up in front of me too quickly for me to identify but I don’t think I could identify anyone even I had the chance, I suspect these are fragments of memories, images perhaps I’d collected during the day or just random people in the street, the park, the pub. Wherever. Again I can’t be sure it’s just speculation, trying to explain the what, where’s and why. A typically human trait trying to exist in an non human world. But they must come from somewhere, right?
At this point I noticed that everything was quiet around me and I could hear ‘nothing’ literally nothingness.
From a physical perspective I was aware of having raised maybe a foot or so higher than where I started from on the bed and either I or the room was moving from side to side and in a up and down motion, although I was always kept flat straight and rigid with fear and awe but just randomly moved around the room. I couldn’t feel any part of my body at all I was totally detached from it.
I have had this experience once before and had felt like I was exiting the room through the window. I couldn’t have moved even if I had wanted to.
As the DMT started to wear off, the patterns started to fade and the flashes of images slowed down, settling into softer patterns moving and swirling into each other creating ever more swirling patterns of colour and light in infinite complexity. This is the best part for me. I remember thinking at this point that I was upset to leave this place, a dangeroud thought perhaps? I wanted to stay in this world and experience this amazing, timeless, dream space.
Opening my eyes I saw that the room had returned, imposing and moving backward and forward similar to the effects one might experience when taking Psylicibin or LSD. The door loomed larger than before and the shadow of the pannels fluctuated and grew before shrinking back and then imposing themselves again. Everything appeared to me like I was looking through a yellow filter or yellow sunglasses.
I started to take control of my body and tried to move my arms, they came up and left tracers behind them as if the air was a liquid and it rippled in their wake. I felt euphoric! emotions now take control and I remember feeling a purer than pure sense of ecstacy coursing through my veins and around my body. It moved fast and it was intense! This lasted for a lifetime.

I started to think about what I’d achieved by producing this myself and this made me feel really, really, good about the events. I stayed led like this for what seemed like hours but the reality was a little different. It was close to 40 minutes by the time I felt sober.

It’s now 9:30 and nearly an hour since I came back to the world. I feel tired but happy with my acheivements.
 

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Bash
#2 Posted : 8/1/2012 1:55:55 PM

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Congrats on the your first and successful extract! I've just about got everything I need to do my first. I'm in no rush but looking forward to the challenge.
 
brownpaperblag
#3 Posted : 8/1/2012 6:00:18 PM

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Thanks a lot Bash :-) I really appreciate that, it's nice to get good feedback. I've attached a pdf doc for you. There's a link underneath the title to download a video tec. It's really worth watching!
This tec is what I used and the results were fantastic! My advice is get as much information as you can. Knowledge is power and education will be your closest friend. Keep me updated on your extraction! :-)
 
RaszmWaffles
#4 Posted : 8/1/2012 6:20:20 PM
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Grats dude. Im in the process or purchasing everything now. Can't wait!
 
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#5 Posted : 8/1/2012 6:52:09 PM

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RaszmWaffles wrote:
Grats dude. Im in the process or purchasing everything now. Can't wait!



Cheers buddy Very happy The details are key, don't cut corners. Although a hot plate stirrer is perhaps not needed. A warm water basin to stand you base in and a thermometer is fine. Measure your chems precisely you'll be glad you did! best of British luck to you...
 
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#6 Posted : 8/1/2012 7:57:04 PM

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Congrats on your first extraction and welcome to the Nexus!

Sounds like you are on the money with your extraction....I recommend uping the amount to say maybe between 50-100 gram extractions to give yourself a little more fruit for your labor per say. I keep mine to 100 grams and get around 700 mgs of pure white spice with another 700-800 mgs of the yellow/oily jungle spice I use for my changa...this lasts me up to about a year or now even more since I am throwing rue harmalas into the mix and I absolutely love working with mushrooms in conjunction with the spice.

I know what you mean about feeling like no matter how much time has gone by from your last dmt experience it feels as familiar as never leaving. IMO this is the molecule showing us that we are doing things as they should be and we are on the right path.
 
brownpaperblag
#7 Posted : 8/1/2012 8:11:27 PM

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Kobranek wrote:
Congrats on your first extraction and welcome to the Nexus!

Sounds like you are on the money with your extraction....I recommend uping the amount to say maybe between 50-100 gram extractions to give yourself a little more fruit for your labor per say. I keep mine to 100 grams and get around 700 mgs of pure white spice with another 700-800 mgs of the yellow/oily jungle spice I use for my changa...this lasts me up to about a year or now even more since I am throwing rue harmalas into the mix and I absolutely love working with mushrooms in conjunction with the spice.

I know what you mean about feeling like no matter how much time has gone by from your last dmt experience it feels as familiar as never leaving. IMO this is the molecule showing us that we are doing things as they should be and we are on the right path.



Kobranek - Thank you. I will indeed up the quanities next time around. It was mostly done as an experiment if i'm honest. I don't or rather CAN'T buy it so why not have a go at obtaining it myself? I'm glad I did! I feel more in tune with it having acquires it myself and the elation continues to this day, several days after the hit and I feel humbled and excepting of myself and the world around me. Excuse my ignorance (i'm in a minority in my peer group and not exposed to these things so much) But what's changa??
 
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#8 Posted : 8/1/2012 9:52:36 PM

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brownpaperblag
#9 Posted : 8/1/2012 11:11:35 PM

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Thats hit me hard. I apologise. I don't think any of my posts advocate the purchasing of any drugs, they make reference to procurement I accept but no times, places, people or 'how to do' But I totally understand and again, I apologise. I now have a boundary to work within so thank you for that. sincerely.
 
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#10 Posted : 8/2/2012 12:21:34 AM

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Your welcome! Changa is dmt enhanced leaf WITH an maoi....if there is no maoi added it is just plain enhanced leaf. I use rue extract and caapi as my sources of harmalas. After a while plain ol dmt becomes fleeting and bringing anything back can be tough...with changa it comes on a little slower and is extended over time allowing more time for deeper work and can keep smoking to go even deeper.
As far as dmt fumarate goes...someone please correct me if I'm wrong.... dmt in the salt form is not easily vaped such as the freebase form...but is more easily absorbed if taken orally. Converting freebase to fumarate will remove any lye making it more pure in a sense but requires more material in the salt form in comparison to the freebase...dmt fumarate will be more stable and not oxidise as easily as freebase but dmt oxide shouldn't have too much of a difference in effects to n,n dmt...which can easily be mitigated through small/frequent extractions....or reduced oxygen packaging.
 
brownpaperblag
#11 Posted : 8/2/2012 5:56:37 PM

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Sounds good. I read your post this morning before work and i've been fighting the urge to read up on changa all day! can't really get away with it at work. So that's tonight plan, i'm really intrigued by what you wrote. I'm looking for a way to slow the experience down. Smoking freebase is a lot like taking a bungee jump, it leaves little room to settle in to the experience and ask the questions. Could you recommend a tec for this? Obvs i'll read through the forums and gather as much information as I can but you've been helpful and i'd be interested to hear how you would personally go about achieving your changa. And thanks you've really opened my eyes here! Thumbs up

I've got another quaetion as well. I've got an extraction primed and ready to go but when the aqueous has seperated it's left a cloudy layer in the naphtha? There are essentially 3 layers here. What did I do wrong? and is it recoverable? any advice appreciated. I could attach a photo if you need to see it but I'm guessing you probably know what i'm talking about.
 
 
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