Hey on about the last five times my girlfriend has done the same batch of spice and every time she has just gone into pure black dimension with nothing there but just darkness and on this times she has been violently sick each time, yet myself and others have been doing it and we breakthrough each time and aren't sick and this is what she use to experience aswell, we have come to a few conclusions from the understanding of dmt and spice but i wondered if anyone else had any input/expierences like this? thanks.

I have seen this type of thing but never with the person getting "violently sick" can you explain further what you mean by this. Throwing up? nausea? sharp pains? etc...

I once shared the spice with someone who experienced pure black chaos, and then threw up. My experience from the same batch involved the normal brightly colored animated geometry, and no nausea. So it has to have something to do with the person's set/setting or possibly their physical state. Has she tried lesser psychedelics since this started- possibly just weed- to see what happens?

Perhaps have her sit in front of a pretty bright lamp or have a flashlight nearby or something bright in her face to illuminate things. If she's still ending up somewhere completely dark, then I would be curious what would happen if she were to open her eyes or keep her eyes open. Perhaps she's finding her way to the dark void, but it seems peculiar to me to experience that same trip with such repetition. Perhaps you should play music. Music tends to animate hyperspace in an orderly way so perhaps it will at least make things less chaotic. I've gotten nausea from vaping spice on a number of occasions that were usually relatively large doses delivered effectively. Hasn't happened in a while though.

My lady and I have both experienced this "Blackness" no throwing up though. For me it wasn't anything but black, no bad vibes or anything, just kind of a void. For my lady though, it was a more sinister, dark, bummer blackness.

We weren't in any particularly dark mood or anything, and experiences haven't stayed that way, but we were really curious about it, I'll say that. Were actually had the conversation that if that's what DMT was going to be, we didn't really see the point of continuing its use.

So... sorry, that doesn't really help get to the bottom of it, but I'm curious to learn something about it if I can as well.

She takes a vast amount of different recreational drugs and she never experiences this =/
She opens her eyes after a while of just seeing pure darkness it doesn't change her mood at all it just confuses her (just says every time what the hell is going on, why is it doing this?), when she opens her eyes she sees faint visuals but next to nothing i will say she does doses of around 150+ mg but its always been an amazing breakthrough experience the other 30+ times shes done it before and ive never had this happen to my friends which is a vast amount of people. We have tried this in different settings each time with and without music, in darkness and not in darkness nothing seems to change it...

Oh and to uyomech she has taken since this started to happen, mdma, lsd, doc, doi, 4-ho-met, ketamine, weed, mescaline, 2cb and the list goes on! and she hasnt expierenced anything like this except for a one off of amt with mdma which ofc is a dangerous combo due to maois.

her pineal gland could be calcified badly

I just had someone tripping on E smoalk three bowls of dmt and have colorful trippy visuals every time. But I think the darkness void is related to a depleted biochemistry and lack of intention. My guess is your friend needs to take a break from psychedelics for a couple months before trying to launch with drug assistance. I've experienced the bummer darkness before too, and it's usually after over-using the DMT too frequently and for the wrong reasons(just to get high).

does she smoke weed everyday or use any other substances daily? I find that with excessive daily cannabis use my neurotransmitters become depeleted rather quickly. I am stubborn though and still haven't quit. Supplementing with amino acids such as l-tyrosine and 5-htp with B6 really helps keep up with the excessive neurotransmitter release that occurs smoking multiple times a day.

Happens to me every time I drink first.

Holy Christ!

150+ mg!!??

Why on earth would you need that much? That is asking for trouble if you ask me...

Maybe try adding harmalas to the mix?

Yupp.

How are you administering it?

150+mg is wayy too much. You only need 30-40mg for a breakthrough....let alone a strong experience. Clearly, alot's being wasted through whatever the method may be.

Yes, way too much. Sounds if she is consuming too much causing a black out.
I'm taking a very long break to recharge my psychic energy or lower my tolerance since I abused the molecule.

I have seen this in a single person, who always blacked out on DMT, or had zero effects.

Remember that receptors are proteins with a complex folded structure, they vary in everyone and in some cases are more different than others, there are people who do not respond, or respond differently than others to molecules because of this.

It is a lot like allergies in some ways, some people just metabolize things differently.

Consider also that in some very rare cases this type of thing happens with psilocin and or mushrooms, where people black out, and in very few cases have died.

I recall a pharmaceutical company scientist observing that statistically speaking substances which are harmless for most people can be dangerous for a minority, this is also consistent for data for pretty much any drug or molecule. The scientist proposed that rumors of people dying on normal doses of both legal and illegal drugs could be legitimate and due to variation in receptors and metabolism, he cautioned that we should not ignore reports of people who have distinctly different effects, apparently in drug studies this is well known, a drug might work well for most and yet for one or two people out of hundreds of thousands it could be ineffective or harmful.

I don't mean to alarm anyone, statistically speaking DMT is harmless, but for a very small percentage of the population it can be ineffective or cause effects that are undesirable, much like pretty much any food or beverage can.


In my experience if people have no effects or unusual effects, it is not wise for them to continue experimenting with whatever is involved, increasing the dose can be a bit risky in this regard.

i'd say the clock on the wall says "take-a-break thirty"... sounds like she's absorbed enough info to deafen the senses, and a little decompression/processing could go a long, long way towards straightening things out... i speak of this because i'm probably in just about the same place myself, just noticed that clock a couple weeks ago...

How was her physical state before taking this? who knows if that could be it. Have also visited this blackness, though it felt both peaceful and beautiful, and chaotic and dark at the same time, very overwhelming, was in a crappy phsyical state before and it was first time using.

I remember one time I loaded maybe around 50-60mg into a pipe (My vaping technique was quiet ineffective...) though this time I managed to vaporize the DMT with much greater efficiency and what I describe as "over shooting my destination". I was in total blackness, both open and closed eyes. Everything had closed down to a point and then disappeared. I was then sure that I had killed myself (though I knew logically this was not true), especially with the female voice declaring my death. Though this only happened once and there wasn't nausea. Slowly the world came back into view like I was far off in space. After the world came back it was like a very strong DMT trip just before breakthrough with no CEV just OEV (which I was glad to have back haha, being blind was kinda weird).