Have gone through several phases in my life, where I drank...........

However, I have read post after post on Nexus, where beings are inebriated, and feel that using spice, along with alcohol is fine and dandy...............

IMHO, mixing spice and alcohol is like mixing oil and water................

If you are using spice to help you learn and figure things out, alcohol can't possibly assist in this goal..........the opposite I feel to be true...........

I get the feeling that beings that drink and take spice, at least at the same time, are mostly younger and inexperienced, doing it more for the party, than the answers..............

IMHO................

I COMPLETELY AGREE. You speak the truth here. That's why when we do these things they need to be for the right reason. We need to be aware of what we are doing and just do a extremely large amount of research.

Remember guys be safe and more importantly be smart!

*wave*

Who is to say hyperspace means anything at all? We give it meaning, but this does not mean it is the truth. There is nothing definitive in tripping or journeying, other than the feelings and visions. We create meaning. A few glasses of wine and some DMT can be quite lovely indeed. One should not get into the habit of needing alcohol in order to work up the courage to partake of spice however (*insert bitch slap here*).

I never said that spice means anything...........

I am just saying that using a CNS depressor, is the opposite of spice............

Those that mix their drunken state with spice are setting themselves up for a potential hyperslap that may keep their heads spinning for some time to come...............

IMHO

Every mind handles the elements of our conscious experience differently, even though most of these elements are common between us all. Every metabolism functions in its own way, as it has started with slightly different genetic instruction and adapted itself to the life of the person. What may be true for you may be totally absurd for somebody else, just do to these small differences.

I know many people who have no reaction or negative reactions to the combination of alcohol and psychedelics.

I know many people who greatly benefit from the combination of alcohol and psychedelics.

What is important here is to know how your mind, body and spirit react to the substances you choose to ingest, and how your mind, body and spirit react to combinations of these substances, and to do what you feel is best for you.

I, personally, enjoy the peace of sitting and enjoying a good beer, and it helps greatly to relax my mind and body and more effectively navigate to an ideal state for the consumption of certain psychedelic drugs, which greatly increases their potency and frees me from the tendency to disrupt the experience with exertions of force by my sense of self.
That being said, I would not recommend that somebody do the same without having a relationship with them and knowledge of their drug experiences, because I know that people react differently to states and substances.

Happy Travels
Hg

You spoke of getting answers, but yes, being drunk may not be a good idea. It also means there are possible risks involved if you wanted to use MAOIs.

I'm very sorry if you've never learned anything from your spice experiences..............

I certainly have.............

Better luck next time............

Pretty much agree with every word. I've mixed alcohol and DMT and have had no ill effects whatsoever. I've done this maybe 30 or 40 times... and haven't experienced one single bad trip... not saying the chances are any more slim but in my experience no bad trips (alcohol also seems to lengthen the trips and even add a bit more body to the trip in a good way). I said in another post that I don't recommend this combination to just anyone... you have to know your body. I'm not a heavy drinker at all.. always drink with moderation and I feel that a beer or two before hand and even after is not a problem at all if you have had a good reaction with this combination. I wouldn't make it a habit at all but I see no problem with moderate doses and moderate amounts of alcohol.


P.S. I definitely don't do this to add any "meaning" or anything. I respect DMT and know it's meaning in my life, and every time I partake it is a joyous moment... even the bad trips. I'm not so "out of it" that I'm just smoking DMT just to get some "crazy" stuff to happen with the alcohol... before DMT I drank alcohol moderately. I'm not going to stop my alcohol usage just because I've now discovered the spirit molecule, so naturally these two substances were going to meet one day. Same goes for marijuana... but I'm a chronic marijuana smoker and see absolutely nothing wrong with smoking mj with DMT. Alcohol on the other hand I'm slightly apprehensive in recommending but that's all due to the fact that people react differently with different substances and some may take it too far with their cloudy judgement... ie trynna do a 100 mg bowl after drinking a six pack.

I drink on a very rare occasion and sometimes I will enjoy one single glass of a nice Deep Red wine about 10 minutes before blast off.

This isn't a party I'm having....Alcohol when used in smal amounts and in a strictly controlled manner potentiates DMT in amazing ways..

I don't need luck and I have had a long time, and I have learned a lot. I merely said there is no intrinsic meaning to experiences such as these other than what we interpret for ourselves subjectively, if we should choose to. When I was in my honeymoon period a long time ago, it was different. As soon as I thought I had found meaning in the experiences, DMT made a grand job of once again destroying those ideas and restoring chaos to order. Thus I learned that I will always be wrong.

I use my experiences for inspiration for creative expression and an experience of something 'other', but defined meaning seems pretentious to me personally, but to each their own. I prefer it to stay pure and obscure.

Entering the DMT experience in a drunken stupor is definitely a waste of material for me, it clouds the experience violently. But if I have a few drinks of whiskey and smoke some spice an hour later, I don't find there's a problem with that. Alcohol is just a drug, just as DMT is, and to judge people who use it just as you use a drug is extremely hypocritical.

What would you say to shamans and ayahuasqueros who consume alcohol DURING rituals? That they're "young and inexperienced"? Heh....There's a difference between abuse and responsible and safe use of alcohol, you seem to be lumping all alcohol use in a category which is negative, employing the same ideology that people for prohibition of most drugs employ.

Even if these people were drinking alcohol and smoking DMT purely for the party, what's so negative about that? Doesn't quite fit your dogma? I don't take psychedelics to party, I couldn't imagine that, but believe it or not people DO. That's what they use psychedelics for, for fun. I find it interesting that people who take this experience so seriously, and treat DMT as a sacrament demonize "fun" in the same way religious bigots would demonize it. If DMT has taught me anything, it's been to lighten up and accept things for what they are, some people CHOOSE to not take this so seriously, just as you CHOOSE to treat the DMT experience as sacred.

You claim to have learned things from your experiences, that's great, I have too! But the tone of your post in which you tell another member here, another brother of yours, which lives on this Earth and struggles with the same questions you and I both struggle with, you condescendingly tell him "better luck next time.!" DMT apparently hasn't impressed you enough to want to spread love and light, which I find disheartening since you claim to have learned so much from the experience. Why approach anyone with that kind of attitude when they're merely asking questions?

Peace

I have to agree with korey on this. There is a lot of nearly hypocritical judgement towards psychedelics as anything but a spiritual tool. I think spirituality is highly dependent on the person, as long as they are being responsible in life and with the substances, then I think its their right to do it.

alcohol exacerbates emotions, and can bring to the surface feelings you were unaware you had.
so to say it has no use for a hyperspace journey seems, to me at least, somewhat close-minded.

imo, everything in moderation (even moderation).

to each their own.

I personally think it has everything to do with the mindset of the drinker. Some drink to party, some drink to relax, some drink to forget. There are many other reasons people choose to drink. On that note, that same idea goes for all drugs. So really it isnt what drugs your using or mixing with what, it all comes down to what is your mindset with each drug, whether mixed or not.

I have felt that some posters that I have read where said user is mixing alcohol and spice were doing so in a mindset similar to "party mode". I could be completely incorrect in this assumption due to not having been provided enough information about the person doing so. But from experience and I know all of you have had this experience as well, quite a lot of people who drink, atleast at one point in their life, do so to party.

So its understandable to feel like thats what the person is all about when they speak of drinking, or getting drunk, then doing spice. Unless this person reveals the true nature of why they were drinking or drunk in the first place before partaking in spice, then its easy to assume they are drinking to party, hence are being disrespectful to the spice.

I myself have nothing against anyone who choose's to drink with DMT, as long as its not in a party like scenario. Having a few beers with friends or by yourself, or even a case of beer, then vaping some DMT and drinking some more afterwards itself is not a problem. If someone made that claim it would be easy for anyone to mistake this situation as a party scene without more info.

I'm only guessing, but I think this is along the lines of what OP was assuming. As I have assumed the same exact thing while reading certain posts about alcohol and DMT mixing. Just ask if they were partying, cause unless you know their true mindset, you wont really know.

(I want to add, I have never had alcohol before or after taking spice. it's just not my thing)

Haha, sounds like you've got plenty more to do Chuck. Godspeed.

I agree that, for me, alcohol and DMT don't go together at all. It's just one big counter-sink to the grace of spice.

I'm not sure what the goal is in telling other people that they're doing it all wrong via one's own unsolicited humble opinion. I don't mention this in sole reference to the OP because I've seen a number of other threads like this. Opinions proclaiming who's doing what right or how they're doing it wrong.

I don't think it hurts to point out safety concerns, and answer questions relating to one's opinion when asked, but what people choose to use as their trip/buzz/spiritual experience is no one's business but their own as long as they're not stepping on anyone elses' rights in the process.

-P

Each to there own I say, whom I to judge or question.

It's a general rule of mine that one should be careful mixing booze with any entheogen.


These rules get bent sometime, there are situations.

ANY entheogen will have more to offer you, in general, when booze is not present. Judging and condemning does not help, though.

My first reaction is to agree that using alcohol is bad, but that's only because whenever I'm around people drinking, they're always drink-until-I'm-violent-or-until-I-pass-out-on-the-floor drinking, and so I've stopped drinking all together due to this impression that alcohol is some sort of malevolent substance. On the other hand, after reading the posts in this thread, I think I've realized that I may be throwing the baby out with the bath water. There are, after all, a lot of positive aspects of consciousness that are enhanced for some people by alcohol, and I haven't been able to recognize those through the fog of my prejudice.

Would I now mix alcohol with DMT? Probably not, but only because I like to try to have a full understanding of a substances psychological effects (which I will probably never have for DMT) before I mix it with other substances. It also has to do with the fact that, in the past, I've always used alcohol to "party" and I now try to use psychedelics solely for spiritual exploration, so integrating alcohol is a problem for me because of the careless attitude it has always been associated with for me in the past. But that's just me. If others want to add alcohol to the experience and can get positive results, then I am glad for them.

I don't smoke DMT to party, sometime I do drink alcohol at parties, I don't know what kind of people you associate with but for the most part, my friends are cordial and very peaceful even when inebriated on alcohol. The point of my post was not to inspire people to mix alcohol with DMT, actually quite the contrary, drunkenness and hyperspace does not mix well at all for me and most of the people I know. I think making sweeping generalities and negative judgement about people who do use alcohol, especially when they are responsible and safe with their use, is highly hypocritical, because most of us are also safe and responsible with our DMT use.

There is this theme of negativity in regards to using DMT as a party drug, or to have fun, I admit I have had some very FUN journeys, though I do not use DMT to solely have fun, what is the big problem with people using psychedelics for solely recreation as long as they are safe and responsible about their use? I have many friends who just are not interested in introspection or metaphysical reality, and would rather connect to people and stay in a more grounded reality, and I would be a hypocrite to judge these beautiful people over their reasons for taking drugs, because mine aren't any more superior or mystical than theirs, we're all just trying to get in tune with something.