A friend of a friend of a friend of mine just called me up in panic, he says that his friend is in a vegetative state after taking 3 tabs of LSD (he assumes), he does not really know how much his friend has taken or how pure those tabs were. The person is in the hospital and it sounds scary, I hope someone in the community is able to shed light on the situation.

I'm so sorry to hear that this happened to your friend. I have never experienced this myself, or heard of it being experienced by others (except for the obvious B.S. old wives' tales we've all heard).

You and your friend will be in my thoughts and prayers. I hope he recovers quickly and completely.

I hope the best as well. Without having all the info they may just be still in a trance. God knows I would be been taken to the hospital if I was found on many of my drug experiences. If you don't have an experienced sitter, leave a note letting any discoverer know what's going on, to take vitals.

Not to sound un emotional, just optimistic in my own way, and trying to share knowledge to those not wanting to come-to in big trouble.

Again, I don't have all the details, and I pray for the best.

I appreciate the prayers, from what I'm gathering, I hear that the friend is "responsive" but believes that his friends are dead and he has no reason to talk to them. It appears that perhaps he is in a deep trance. The person he was tripping with was a first time psych user and was unable to provide any type or form of sitter services.

Yeah thats unfortunate. I rode my bike through armageddon because of the same reason as a teen.

He may take some time to mentally recover. I hope he does and takes this as a very serious lesson! Stuff like this is why people jump from rooftops. As bad as it is, and as imprudent he may feel of those who got him into a hospital, he is very lucky he didn't get seriously hurt.

Does he have any of the tabs left? If so he should get them tested.

Hope it all turns out OK, sorry to hear about this.

I've seen similar things happen to people. Chances are he needs to ride out the peak with some positive energy around and will hopefully start to recollect himself as he starts to come down.

A lot of people - especially newbie users have no idea what is happening to them while they're tripping. They are wide open for any deep-seeded concepts they might have to be strongly surfaced. Which can send them 'over the edge' - especially if they have no pre-conceived conceptual groundings to keep them on earth when their mental gates open up.

The person i'd seen in a similar situation was very mentally attached to religious beliefs and came from a heavily religious family background. So when his reality started being tested - the reality he holds so much 'faith' in - his awareness left himself, for it had no solid foundations - and he was unable to figure out if he was alive, dead or in the process of dieing.

Your friends friend will be absolutely fine - so long as he comes out of the trip not thinking any misconceptions about what just happened to him. He must realise what happened was not purely the LSD - but it was more than likely some deeply engrained mental attitude towards his reality. Try to figure out what is separating his mind from the immediate present - and work from the ground up.

It is really important that he knows that LSD surfaces your inner-person. It doesnt just 'play with your head' with a mere 'drug effect'. He has to work on his self awareness and purpose. He has created no mental blue print to keep the latches down when things get 'out of control'. He needs to deepen his breath - and work on his mental groundings. And not let 'ideas', 'concepts', 'beliefs' solely dictate his brain functioning. Because ultimately reality exists purely in your head - and you can convince yourself anything.

The fact of the mater is that he was no longer tripping, the trip ended, and later the next day they had to take him to the hospital since he was unable to perform some basic functions, like go to the bathroom. I hope the individual comes back to reality, but I think I understand what you are saying.

^sounds like maybe it was not really LSD?

Hope the guy is okay..this is one of the reasons why I stick to plant alkaloids. I like being sure of what I took while freaking out.

Triumph

sorry to hear this,

I can vouch for the fact that LSD is capable of confusing someone to an extreme point, even at "regular" dose levels
I have seen a situation unfold where an inexperienced user was convinced that they were dead for nearly two days and refused to talk to any of their friends during that time. They said that during this experience they were walking outside and came across an emergency scene where an ambulance was taking someone away on a stretcher...The person on LSD walked up to one of the EMT's on the scene and asked the EMT to check and see if they were dead or not..
I guess the EMT just said..get outta here kid, can't you see were busy here?

So according to them they were just a ghost or something and they thought all their friends were these weird vampire demons.

This happened afer they took what I would consider to be a medium-high dose of LSD. around 200-300 micrograms.

They returned to semi-normal after about 5-7 days

Fully back to normal and saying "what the hell was I thinking?" after 2 weeks

It's really important with things like this to make sure the person feels supported. Not crazy, not a burden, not imposing. Welcome their state of mind, entertain what they are saying (not saying go along with it, but view their current position as THEIR valid subjective experience at the moment). I had a friend who most probably triggered some latent schizophrenia after a summer of psychedelics and his situation ended tragically. It may take time for him to come down, and he might feel really guilty or dissapointed in himself when he begins to regain consensual awareness. As others have said, make it very clear as this process begins to happen that all his thoughts were merely a production of his mind and encourage him to continually let go of any of the crazy things that went through his mind during his crisis. Given enough time, and assuming that no predisposed mental disorder was exposed, he should begin to lock back in to "normalcy" if he has a strong support system. No one knows how long this process may take, and we all know the feeling of looking at the "normal" from the outside and finding no sensibility or coherence in it whatsoever. If he is willing, a practice of meditation, yoga, sweating, or other contemplative practice of letting go could be really beneficial to allowing whatever skewed concepts he has convinced himself of to release. Good luck and please do let us know how it goes, because this happens more than we probably know, and the more information that we have about this stuff, the better.

Best wishes to him and his family, I hope he is able to recover completely.

And as jamie said, there is a reasonable chance he did not take LSD (I remember reading about a couple experiments gone awry that turned out to be bromo-dragonfly). Good reminder to always have any tabs or pills double-checked before consumption.

Got an Update: The tabs did taste strange, and he was with people and not alone while tripping, some where sober sitters.

I'm somewhat shaken up by this, and I'm wondering how to make sure this doesn't happen to me. I have done intense psychedelics before, but I've never had those kinds of experiences. For me, I have a very very good grasp on reality when tripping, I enjoy the ride and understand that there is a reality that I'm in, cars are real, buildings are real, and that I can be hurt.

It may be some people experience a psychological breakdown during LSD. This can last a few days, I think Stanislav Grof mentioned some of these "Psychedelic Crisis" in his books. If properly handled, it coudl turn out good and gradually return, but I obviously cannot know the specific case of your friend.

The important thing is to give him support in his well being, health, and integration, and let time run it's course. An open minded doctor might be a good idea to contact, maybe contact MAPS to ask if they know good doctors in your area, if you don't already.

Only medication without any other support, and/or just confronting the person's ideas or pushing them in any way at the moment is not a good idea. Make sure they are safe and in a good evironment.

By the way, try to find this blotter again if possible and post here once you do, I can give tips on legal reagents you can purchase to help determining identity.


Good luck!

That would be great, what are some legal ways to test the blotters to see what it really is?

Marquis reagent would be a great start, most of the time the LSD "fakes" people come across turn out to be potent miss marketed psychedelic phenethylamines. Marquis reagent is capable of detecting multiple PEAs and also, LSD. Also, you can buy LSD test kits, after you interpret the marquis reagent test(if the mixture is Olive Black, it is a good indicator that it could be LSD) it would be wise to also test the substance with an LSD specific test kit.

Good luck

I have received a phone call from someone who knows this individual, they say that they are still not better, and continue to be in the same state. They now claim to hear voices in their head, while continuing to think everyone in their life is dead. They have no began to believe that they may be the devil or another supernatural entity. Seriously, how does this stuff happen? as for dosage, the estimate is around 400-600 micrograms.

he was unfit to participate in said substance, he will return but it could take a long time. when he does bridge that gap back to linear reality, he wont be the guy who dropped that mystery acid, hell be forged from consciousness.

again i totally agree with jamie

i like to know that what i ingested was safe during my freak outs to prevent me from going further into insanity fearing for my mortal coil and all

If you have a firm grip on reality (which is vague I know) than you have little to worry about under the influence of psychedelics so long as moderation is used?

He took 4-6 hits of something that tasted funny? He didn't just try one and see what happened to begin? I've ran across numerous hospitalizations this summer from kids eating research that they thought was acid. Their bodies start shutting down, because PEA (phenethylamines) are much harsher on the body and organs compared to most tryptamines.

Based on the info you've given I'd guess he either got an extra potent batch of 25x-nbome or some dox, which would explain still tripping days after / hearing voices etc. I couldn't imagine being under the impression I was eating LSD when instead it was something that lasts 3x as long...my first psych journey was with Dom though so I suppose I handled things alright

I had 600-900 micrograms once and a few bad instances turned into coincidence in my mind, and in a panic state listening to all the people around me panic, i believed i was having a heart attack

Then i slipped into some strange delusion, (my mate called the ACid Test),

Were in my head i was actually dead, and everything that was happening around me was just some sort of test situation and if we could just Figure it all out, then i would go back to were it all started and be alive again.

Fortunately for me after about an hour of not responding, my panic wore off and i cleared my head.

I was present, but a million miles away. luckily when the LSD wore off i realized 'that it was all in my head'


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Growing up my friends mum when she was young she took like 6 tabs her first time using LSD, and she was put into hospital, and still now is stuck in some sort of trip, like 30 years later

Some days she has a good one some days she has a bad one.
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?Are they sure the tabs were not like DOB or some other molecule?