"... I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later."
-Mitch Hedberg

This reflects my views on DMT currently. I'm in line with the popular sentiment that it has much to offer, but also feel its teachings can be shared without needing DMT as the crutch. We, humans, have impressive learning abilities and I would prefer to put that to good use through traditional education.

For those seasoned with the substance, where has DMT brought you?

Many of the teachings I've had through hyperspace visits come through insights into aspects of my personal self and my relation to the world around me. I understand that these personal insights will vary individually depending on the world views(etc...) we've developed at the time. For this reason I'd like to focus on teachings that would apply to any lay person.

My question is what new paths in the real world has DMT showed you?

Below I will list one path that DMT seems to be leading me towards. I am curious if other travelers were also led there and what your opinions of it are. Any and all paths are welcome to be discussed.

I've become more interested in meditation as a result of DMT, is this common? For those who have followed the path of meditation, do you have anything you would like to share about the journey? Are you able to achieve similar insights or other effects through meditation?

I had more on my mind before starting this post, but it has dug itself into a memory. I'll try follow up with more if more paths are not introduced/discussed.

Where has DMT led you to? Were there any dead-end paths you had to cross or loops you got stuck in? Are you still searching for what that path may be?

Thanks for reading.

Dmt and other entheogens have piqued my interest in meditation and religion.I was mildly interested in these
things before,but to be honest I did'nt truely understand what benefits they had to offer.

I recently started doing some research into these topics and some others like consciousness and what human nature really is all about.

I dont think I will ever become some kind of holy roller but and least now I can make sense out of some religious texts and views.

There are other topics it has made me interested in I cant think of right now,but one thing I will say for sure it has
broadened my horizons and I am thankful for that .

If you can't tell by my avatar, it has lead me down a very deep path to researching Egypt. I always found Egypt appealing on some level, but when you're inside of a pyramid with 4 holographic King Tut-looking sarcophagi interdimensionally folding through each other in addition to numerous other Egyptian flavored experiences, it's hard not to have your interest piqued in such a profound way.

It has also lead me to come up with a theory on rainbows of light.
Octave Colors of Light

My white light mystical experiences with the molecule have changed the way I view the universe, treat others, and cope with stress. Learning to "let go" and surrender control in general has allowed me to navigate the unpleasant sensations and events in life with more ease and less trauma. I'm sure there's much I'm not thinking of right now (I'm stoned...), but if I think of anything later, I'll see about adding more.

This is great, Meditation, Consciousness, Religion, Human Nature. I've had a similar trend towards mysticism(?). I am feeling that they all relate pretty directly to the DMT experience without addressing specific visions. You are put into a trance state where you experience intense visions of "alien" entities. Meditation and consciousness make sense with the trance state and visions. Religions fits nicely with the "god"-like visions and feelings. Human Nature I feel is revealed through both personal insights and comparing/contrasting the nature of the "alien" entities to Human Nature.

It certainly made me more open as well, the DMT experience was so different that I came to much better terms with what is possible and what I am capable of. Also, as I have become more familiar with hyperspace, I am able to see the subtleties of this world much clearer.




Ah, yes I recall your avatar and quote

Having Egyptian pyramids as a subject for your visions must be fascinating! My thoughts of it even leave me at a loss of words. I hope one day I shall be so lucky.

Your Octave Colors of Light post interests me. I'm not sure if I am thinking of the same rainbow colors. I have seen columns/pillars covered with or made up of what I am picturing as hyperspatial rainbows. There was a number of pillars lined up next to each other that looked to be made of pulsating plasma. The plasma was split into horizontal bands of incredible color that pulsated upwards, repeating from the bottom to the top of the pillar. Are these the same colors you are describing?

I'm happy that DMT has had such a positive impact on your life. I feel it has strengthened my ability to surrender as well as take control of what there is that I can control.

Thank you both very much for your input. I suppose DMT has also made me much more stimulated when it comes to learning.

hmmm..

I guess we have a different take on the term "teaching" in relation to this topic.

For me much of what goes on in the tryptamine state is energetic. Sure I have visions and realizations where I learn other things..but the energetic aspect is very important for me, and you dont get that without taking DMT or maybe going yoga or some other practice that take far longer to achieve the same state as just ingesting some plants does.

It is like, I cant get the energetic aspect of a yoga session without doing yoga..and I cant get the true feeling of what it is like to ride a wave unless I am actaully doing so..DMT is like this. I cant get to that place of energetic activation on demand like that unless I take DMT.

Without that experience the teaching are just like a bunch of substanceless slogans.

"I've become more interested in meditation as a result of DMT, is this common?"

Maybe..probly...for me I was into meditation years before I ever took a psychedelic. Taking psychedelics just impressed me in their ability to deliver the real deal. At first I totally lost interest in mediation and buddhism etc because I felt there was alot of bs and just loaded new age idealogies in all of that. At the core, yes I have become more interested in meditation, but never with the idea that it would replace psychedelics. This is when I really got more into studying shamanic cultures, which led me to spent some time at college studying anthropology. If it had not been for shamanic plants I never would have went to college at all, even if I only went for a little while. IMO there is no other path that is on the same level. There are many religions and all of them worthless really. There is only gnosis.

IMO based on what I have read and researched all the meditation practices, yoga, tantra of the east etc are based on earlier shamanic drug using traditions who developed these practices while on some kind of psychedelic in order to combine them with psychedelics. If you go to nepal and ask the kirati shamans about this they will tell you, they are the origionators of the thankas, yantras, of tantra etc..they also claim that all the old gods like shiva, indra, shakti etc are really old gods of the pre buddhist, pre hindu etc shamanic religion. These people take many psych-active drugs.

In short..yes I am into meditation on a deeper level now than I was before..but I dont sit down and do it really in some structured way like I once did..and never to the exclusion of shamanic plants.

Thanks you very much for the posts jamie.

I'm glad you brought up that energy buzz. I hadn't remembered or connected that energy from yoga/tai-chi/meditation I felt in the past, but your post brought my memories of it back fresh. So it is true that much hard work and dedication is required to access greater levels of energy? Nature is sweet.

You have a great point about DMT and its energy being important. The energy and powerful nature of the experience certainly make it strike a deep chord for me.

It appears traditional education currently fails to meet the quality necessary to strike that deeply. Perhaps only a lucky few. However, I still have hope that those of us familiar with the substance may be able to learn from each other's paths with the substance. I'm learning much already.

I think my renewed fascination in meditation may indeed be a result of psychedelics bringing that real trance state.

You mention the tryptamine buzz and I feel both mushrooms and DMT have given me great inspiration for increased knowledge (gnosis as you say). This energy is intriguing.

The shamanic religion you speak out of is grabbing my interest. I would love to look into that when I have time. Could you share a name if one is available? Is there research available on the subject?

Great topic thank you for this thread.

I do have something to contribute, something maybe different than most. When I began working with dmt many years ago I was interested in things like the power of present moment living, deliberate creation, and other types of new age ideas and practices. Dmt shattered my world model and my time in Peru working with ayahuasca sealed the deal.

I will never forget my first contact with the other's. Idtrvlr and myself, both newbies to dmt broke through in my bedroom loft and neither of us were the same after that night. Dmt reinforced many beliefs I held and stripped away an equal amount. It may sound odd but the truth is dmt and years of integration along with endless reading has placed me in a category that most closely resembles Atheism. After what I saw and what I was given in the form of information I could only conclude that the idea of a God or a creator didn't seem to make any sense any longer nor fit into my world view.

Although I have no evidence to back up some form of consciousness continues after mortal death I believe it to be so. I have never understood why a form of after life and God need to always be together hand in hand. They do not need to be. If I learned anything from my path it is that the true nature of our reality is much, much stranger and incredible that we can possibly begin to grasp or understand.

I have upset some of my family at my present beliefs but that's ok. They still love me but feel Im quite misguided as I do them. Its the type of feeling I get and want to say to them all, "If you have seen the things Ive seen you would understand".

I turned 40 years old while abroad and now rely more on science and peer reviewed research and findings than for example the latest Depak Chopra best seller. Im don't mean to sound snooty but I just don't resonate with the woo-woo side of spirituality anymore. I have a much more personal and special type of spirit within me.

I concur 100%

"The shamanic religion you speak out of is grabbing my interest. I would love to look into that when I have time. Could you share a name if one is available? Is there research available on the subject?"

http://video.google.com/...ocid=7140377893864168262

^that is one of the best talks out there on this aspect of nepalese shamanism out there I think.

@olympus mon
DMT also shattered my world-views and I am very thankful for this.
Your ideas are great, thanks for sharing. I've heard many say that the DMT experience gives them more faith in the idea of a God/creator, perhaps due to a more open mind about what is possible. However, I like the line of thought you followed. This universe is much stranger than I could have even begun to imagine.

My belief in an afterlife has also been strengthened as a result of my experiences with DMT. Granted my body is still functioning while I am in hyperspace, but I like to think that what my brain accomplishes in this state is a taste of what is possible beyond "life."


Thank you very much. I haven't looked much into old religions and the like since reading Breaking the Mushroom Code.

Down the rabbit hole I go.

Jamie wrote:



^I literally could not have said it better myself..

I can sympathize with the notion of wanting to find other ways to get to the place/teachings that psychedelics bring, such as by way of meditation, fasting, etc, etc. I think these things are related and point towards similar things, but these are all separate paths with separate perspectives. No matter how much you meditate, it will never be identical to a ayahuasca experience and no ayahuasca experience is ever going to be identical to taking the time every day to still your mind. I personally happen to think that things like writing, making music, painting, etc can also all fit into this paradigm.

I feel like all of these spiritual practices can be integrated and build on each other, but an apple will never be an orange even if they are both fruits. Make a salad and enjoy aspects of all that this life has to offer.



I was curious how psychedelics would influence my atheism. Several people I knew suggested I would find my way to "God" through them. I can't say I have. It's opened my eyes to immense wonders, to beauty I had never considered before, but it never seemed necessary to put a god-like figurehead on top of it. From my perspective, putting a figurehead on it misses the point almost entirely.