Yea, here is where I need some advice.

Should mix this resin with some Vinegar, and then what?

Or what other kind of solution would dissolve the alkaloids and leave behind the chlorophyll.

Concerning other DMT containing plants.

Ive never had any personal experience with them. But its my understanding that the mimosa hostilis bark would contain a resin and that that resin is the source of the DMT within the plant.

As ive said this is the model of nature.

Mix with vinegar, filter, add more vinegar and repeat for total of 3x, discard anything solid. Add NaOH to vinegar, extract 4x with naphtha, evaporate, recrystallize as per FAQ instructions if needed. Extract from plant that had the trichomes taken out, compare yields, let us know.

Regarding mimosa "resin", where is your understanding from? Did you ever use mimosa? I haven't seen any "resin" in mimosa rootbark. Also DMT is mostly contained in inner rootbark, not the outside so you wont find any trichome glands with DMT there.

Also when you said "as Ive said this is the model of nature", its better to come up with references, we're not just gonna take your word for it, as im sure you understand.

What is the model of nature exactly? That the "goodies" (or whatever may be subjectively considered "goodies" for humans from any plant must be part of a vague and generic thing called resin? You have to be more specific and not grossly generalise my man. I really like your enthusiasm and applaud your willingness to experiment but you may also need to reconsider some of the notions you have, simply because they do not rhyme well with our current understanding.

It maybe imperceptible to the eye but I can tell you that the resin is in the bark.

Not all resin have to be on the surface of a plant.

When we are talking about bark we are dealing with something a bit different then a leaf or flower.

Well yes, according to Herbalism. The "good stuff" so to say is contained within the plant in these small secretory structures. And this is common through all plants of all kinds.

All plants contain an essence of some type.

Its known as the plants Sulfur in alchemical terms. But that is really just a representation of its Soul.

Calling it a resin is just another name for the same thing.

Its the Extract of the plant that contains all the alkaloids and things we are interested in.

Its changing color as it drys which is typical of these types of herbal extracts.

Going lighter more to a white / light green color.

Concerning my yield.

My start material was 200 grams of leaf. Some of the plants I used had seed heads and some of them were less mature and did not.

The extracts weight is 1 gram.

This works out to about a 0.5% return.

Some of the estimations I saw where around a tenth of a percent by plant weight.

After removing the stem and cutting that weight it makes sense that I got a larger return.

Also there seems to be quite alot of those glands on the underside of the reed leaf. They are all lined up next to each other all the way along the leaf. From the base to the tip. Each channel that goes along the leaf is filled with these tiny glands.

Arent you contradiccting yourself? You first were saying that the plants "goodies" were on the outside in the glands hence why DMT should be there, and now you're saying that in some plants its not on the outside. So how do you know thats not the case now? Indeed better extract different parts to really know.

And yeah "resin" is a bit of a generic term.

By the way, you should extract as soon as possible because enzymes present in phalaris can destroy alkaloids if you take long between harvesting and purifying, as phalaris link in my signature mentions. So you should do that ASAP with both the separated glands as well as the gland-free leafs.

Well clearly a grass is different from a tree.

As all plants contain a essence they dont all have the same type of essence or the essence does not come from the same location on the plant because all plants are not the same.

They might contain more alkaloids in their root, or their leaf or their bark, if they even have bark.

It depends on the plant where the DMT is. But its not coming from the cellulose parts of the plant. Its coming from where the plant secretes its alkaloids.

And on every plant that contains DMT or any kind of Alkaloid that is in a location specific to that type of plant. And the concentrations can be different for the different parts of the plant itself.

There are many considerations.

Iam not saying that the trichomes only have to be on the outside of the plant.

They can come from wherever the plant makes secretions. And every type of plant makes their secretions in these glands.

For the reed canary grass we already knew that the DMT was found in the leaf. And there is not much to the leaf other then its cellulose cells containing the chlorophyll that make up the leaf and the trichomes I found on them. There is also some spines made of fiberglass / silica.

By definition trichomes have to be on the outside of the plant...Webster defines a trichome as: "a filamentous outgrowth; especially : an epidermal hair structure on a plant."

I am unaware of trichomes playing a role in psychoactive material aside from THC and Salvinorin.

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Afaik, cellulose makes up the cell wall of plant cells. To extract DMT (or mescaline, or many other alkaloids) you have to lyse the cells precisely because the desired compound is contained within the cell (protected by the cellulose that forms the cell wall).

Ohh and the leaf matter that I spun up is only mostly glandless. As its not really possible to remove every single gland from the starting material.

That would mean a 100% perfect extraction rate.


For example if I was to take a bunch of trim of cannabis and make hash from it and save the spun up leaf material and then pour solvent all over it and then filter and evap that solvent. I would still come up with some hash oil. But it would not be as much of a yield as if I didnt put the material through an ice water extraction first.

So what I would really need to so is do a normal extraction out of the leaf of the plants and see what kind of a yield I get and then compare that to a further refinement of this plant essence I currently have.

Really iam at a loss of what else to call them beside a gland containing alkaloids.

I never actually called the glands inside the bark a trichome.

We can get all hooked up on terminology here but its really the same thing if its on the inside of the plant or the outside of the plant.

Its a secretory structure that for lack of a better term I will call a resin gland which contains the essence of a plant, and that is all the alkaloids that we are interested in.

This is how plants make their DMT and other alkaloids.

They secrete them in or on parts of their tissue into little glands.

You would not even know they were there without using a microscope.

have you tested this by any qualitative means?
afaik, tryptamines are produced in intracellular membranes (chloroplasts), not secreted.

Intracellular membrane is just another way of saying a gland.

The gland is a cell that has a membrane and the good stuff is inside of it, it was secreted in there.

what does this have to do with tricromes?
cells still need to be lysed to extract the alkaloids.

chloroplasts produce the alkaloids which diffuse into the cytosol, within the plant cell wall

They are all the same thing.

A Trichome is a cell with a membrane that contains alkaloids that the plant made.

The plants secrete the alkaloids into the cell wall of the trichome gland through its stem.

I think you're confused.
as has already been pointed out, salvia and cannabis have trichomes which grow outside of the plant cell walls, but their actives are not alkaloids because they don't have amines.

Well it really depends on what type of plant we are talking about.

The Canary Reed Grass has trichomes under the leaf that I found with my microscope and extracted with my herbal essence bags.

These glands trichomes or whatever you want to call them contain the essence of the plant which is different for every type of plant.

Ok so your saying that THC does not fit into the alkaloid group.

Sure iam ok with that, but DMT does right ?