everyone always asks...no one ever knows...well here you go:

this is what i go by and it works


Mescaline dosages
150 mg Minimumdosis.
150 - 300 mg light to moderate dosage
300 - 400 mg strong trip last 6 - 12 hours
450 - 500 mg possible ego dissolution, trip will last about 12 hours
500 - 600 mg definite ego dissolution, trip can last up to 24 hours



As a general guidline 27 grams of dried Peyote contains about 300 mg of mescaline. This gives us the following table:

13.5 grams Minimumdosis.
13.5 - 27 grams light to moderate dosage
27 - 36 grams strong trip that lasts 6 - 12 hours
40.5 - 45 grams possible ego dissolution, trip will last about 12 hours
45 - 54 grams definite ego dissolution, trip can last up to 24 hours

54 grams of dried button ... thats like....wtf..

thanks, peyote, i've been wondering about this as I recently acquired a small cluster of the little fellas. think i might let it grow longer

when you say mescaline, are you implying what the total alkaloids weight is or the mescaline weight without the other alkaloids.

the dried weight is a little over 1%, yet we see 1% in dried trich's.

what type of peyote are you reffering to, williamsii and lewinii might be as different as pachanoi and bridgesii

in which case variations of both would yet again add variables (t bridgesii var monstrosse and l williamsii var caespotia)

the peyote way church dispenses 20g of dried peyote made into tea per person, by your calculations this dosent qualify as entheogenic

- when the table reffers to mescaline i assume it means mescaline HCL

- despite internet fairy tales, 1% - 1.5% is common for unstressed peyote, stressed peyote can see upwards of 5%
pedro, bridge can be much lower than 1%. concentration in my experience has to do with how much the cactus is stressed.

- you may be mistaken, there is only 1 peyote, the lophophora williamsii. anhalonium lewenii is a old name they used around the turn of the last century for the same plant. anhalonium lewenii, is no longer used by the scientific community.

- if the peyote way church dispenses 20g of dried peyote made into tea per person by refer to the table one can see:

13.5 - 27 grams light to moderate dosage

that they are aiming for a light to moderate trip, which is spot on for any hippies looking to trip in the desert.

My mistake, how about the difference between fricii and willuamsii

If the peyote way church charges 300 a 20 g experience that is only a light to moderate trip the I am appaled. One foot of tbridgesii is easily 500 mgs mesc + alkaloids.

If the weight of your calculations is exclusive to ust mesc (ie. not peyotin) then perhaps there is synergizing effects that exponentiate the experience more than just a few hundred mgs of mesc. If this is the case your dosage chart on how much peyote to eat is absent of that factor and would most likely make all dosages stronger


Thoughts?

I have heard claims of torch at like 4%..I think phlux said hes had 4% alks before. I know that I have some torch here that is solid dose at 20g dry outer flesh.

im not saying its impossible...

but its almost impossible

if torch pedro or bridge are very blue, they have been stressed in cold and lack of water.

their alkaloids will go 2-3X what they would be if they were pampered.

same with peyote...

i do not subscribe to peyote way church...but they have a right to do what they do.

300 is a bit heft for 300 you could have 2 mild trips.

you want a mild trip man...heavy doses of peyote will have you ROLLING

you have to play it by ear... its a pretty long process continuously eating for 2-3 hours

Peyote - Can you write a little about what you mean by "stressing" a cacti and how you would go about this to increase yield (assume before harvesting)? Thanks

i ate three feet of t bridgesii, this is how it went

i go heavy 2-3 times a year, and i can scarf about a gram a minute of dried flesh, 3 hours is more than enough time


when you say rolling do you mean visionary, or hospitalized. i am fond of visionary.

i assume that this stressing process is several months

I exchanged E-mails with the Peyote way church once when I was considering going there with wife. This was about two years ago so the price may now be higher..the lady said it would be 500$ for two people to take a spirit walk. I told her that I would need two very large doses, I explained I was experienced. She assured me they would be happy to supply me with as much medicine as I would need for the journey. I just never came up with the money due to sudden bad financial situations occuring.

The people there are very friendly and it sound like an awesome ride if you can afford it..
She told me they have a 50 year old cactus...I would like to visit in person.

lots of people spend tons more money than that having way less profound "vacations" IMO

im glad to hear they arent stringent and sticking to a medium dose for hippies in the desert

ive talked to a few of them over the phone and they were obviously happy people, it just so happened i called to thank them and a guy welcomed me and asked when did i come and take the spirit walk. i replied never and we both laughed. i am glad there are people who offer this service in a legal, safe, environment. really a few hundred bucks is a deal when it comes to corporate americans who spend that much alone on a tv or a new phone.

but, for 500 dollars ill build you a space ship made of achuma, and you wont be coming back to earth any time soon. just saying...

when i say rolling i mean you will be tripping BALLS, i dont think any amount of peyote will put you in the hospital...no such thing as too much peyote.

peyote way - i can respect what they are doing but its not for me. i believe they grow their own peyote.

ah, stressing a cactus means depriving it of water for long periods of time, getting the plant to that fine line where its tough love, and abuse.

also when the cactus endures some cold spells for a little bit of time. (not freezing, but say...38-45 degrees F) a couple of months out of the year with little sunlight and no water.

will make the alkaloid content shoot WAY up before harvesting

cactus in the wild often endure months of drought, then winters some times drop slightly above freezing, and have very little water which forces them into hybernation.

some cactus like bridge, and pedro...they can even survive a freeze

thats what i shoot for, especially with a medicine as slow growing as peyote

take it slow, and go in little by little...if you dont respect it ..it will teach you to respect it

mew respects the medicine, however mew does try to have full entheogenic experiences when the time is right, what might be called "tripping balls". however, the term is vastly inadequate to describe such an awesomely profound transformation. for a few years i abstained from entheogenic doses or seeking that experience. i refrained and was timid about dosing, it wasnt until a little over a year ago i started to not waver on my conviction that these experiences are essential to me, they provide me with an understanding of cosmic proportions, a personal relationship with the universe, a humbling ego dissolving refreshment, and joy!. i find that lower doses have thier use, but true entheogenic experiences are infinitely more valuable. as a result, i have become a seeker of those experiences in a respectful way.

i just dont think peyote should be anything but fully entheogenic as it is so valuable due to its slow growing and mostly illegal nature. it should not be squandered. that is respect.