I was fascinated by it for about 10 years before I had the chance to try it, and nothing could have prepared me for the first time I blasted off.. I came back nearly hysterical from laughter, confusion and amazement.

I've definitely had anxiety with it, infact I still do, even though last time I went I saw one of the most amazing blue creatures i've ever seen, this giant translucent whale like thing, built from almost like 'smoke' like ghost figures and neon tubes, it was of indescribable size. It was one of the few times (probably only) i've ever talked while on another plane, but I had to describe what I was seeing, or try to.

I think having a bit of anxiety is healthy for the subject, just dont let the anxiety overwhelm you.

I feel the same as you

The GVG Bat that I have, comes with a few (steel screens). But I also have extra copper screens. So to prep the copper screens, you'd just expose it to some flame, to burn off toxic materials?

For some reason I think im missing something here

I don't think the screens are sufficient enough to keep the spice from traveling. Also, I have been reading that you should use acetone when cleaning copper chore boy as the imbibe it with mineral oils. That theres no need to use heat or fire and that can actually cause oxidation.

I would guess the copper screens are not though. I wouldn't think you need to do anything. Maybe do it anyway? But you should prolly use copper scrubber instead of the screen.

I didnt realize the spice was so small that it would still travel through extra screens. Would you aslo recommend putting a layer of weed ash on the bottom and top of the spice?

Well, remember I'm inexperienced, so this is all my take from what I have read.

The glass bat looks trickier. Due to the angle at which it needs to be used. I think if you made the copper disc from chore boy and pre melted the spice into it that would be sufficient. I think.

but holding it horizontally COULD cause it to even slightly melt towards gravity. I also wouldn't recommend holding it vertically as if any spice makes it through it could go into your mouth and that would be catastrophic.

It's more that when you begin to heat DMT it melts, so the powder may not fall through, but the liquid will run down through. It's part of why people prefer the chore boy's because the ribbons of copper let the liquid DMT 'hold on' for long enough to get to the temp required to vaporize.

I'm still a failure

Yesterday I tried again with 15-20mg dmt, classic vg, wad of chore boy, and a grill lighter. From now my 3 experiences it seems like the chore boy makes it worse. I think the chore boy raises the dmt too high in the device so it burns it too fast because when I exhaled there was barley any smoke at all and I didnt get that strong dmt taste.

I am about to try it again (so much dmt wasted it should be a crime) This time I am gonna put 25mg with no chore boy and try holding the lighter on the plate first to heat it up, then after about 10 seconds start inhaling slowly

I'm fairly surprised this hasn't been mentioned already, but have you considered using MAOI's prior to smoking? I can almost guarantee this will solve your problem ("almost," because there are no absolutes in this world) . Drinking syrian rue tea, or caapi, prior to launch will enhance every part of DMT. Or make changa with MAOI's in the mix, and perhaps consider using a bong with your changa until you are more practiced with your GVG (the first time I smoked changa out of a bong was the last time I picked up my GVG. It's the bong for me all the way) . The bong is fairly idiot proof, which is good since I'm a dummy.

Syrian rue is real cheap and effective. Caapi is wonderful but requires more work. You can also buy rue and caapi 10x extracts online for your changa until you learn to extract (rue extract is so cheap I've never even attempted to extract my own; just my laziness on display) .

Good luck, and don't give up.

You definitely know a lot more about using the VG than I do, so maybe you'll get it to work... On the other hand, maybe you should try a different vaping device. I personally recommend the Machine. On the other hand, maybe you're not inhaling properly, though I doubt that's the case. Inhale vapors until your lungs are 80% full, then use the last 20% to clear the device and get the vapors deep down in those lungs. Hold the vapors in for 20 seconds. If you're doing all that, then there's either something wrong with they way you're using the VG or you just aren't using enough.

Don't be sad about not getting it yet. In case you don't already know, we're all rooting for you to succeed. I'm probably not the only one excitedly following this thread.

Good Luck!

The VG should be at least giving me visuals with 20mg...

I dont know if im burning the dmt too fast or what but eventually im just gonna load up 60mg so I can hopefully get some effects.

Thanks for the feedback too. All the info really helps

You said your using a grill lighter. Get a small torch. If your barely getting any vapor your more likely to be not heating it enough as from my experience you still get a lot of vapor when you burn it and the taste is strong.

Are you trying to hit it as many times as you can? If you don't get much vapor on the first couple hits it's probably not hot enough. If you kept hitting it and hitting it eventually it will be at temp. But like I said try it with a torch.

I just wrote this in another thread but it can help you as well. Hera ya go.

For me I don't like my gvg. I'ts tricky imo. Maybe consider a proper sandwich method. Imo its much easier. I've been out of changa for a couple weeks but have some ten to one caapi leaf. I simply melt the dmt into a good pile of leaf then cover it with another thin layer and puff tuff!

Melt enough dmt for 2-3 people since your not going to smoak the whole bowl at once. Then count hit's. Start with one big monster and see how that feels, next time try 2, so on and so forth.
You can use parsley or go buy some nice smoking herbs from the head shop. Id stay away from weed though.