I'm confused. Been wondering a good portion of my life whether or not my consciousness will go on after I die or if I'll just end up being worm food. Death scares me, the thought of no longer existing not only scares me but really saddens me. I've never taken any psychedelic drugs, I've only tried marijuana once. But I don't even know if I should take any psychedelics, such as DMT, LSD, Shrooms, etc.. Because I'm searching for the truth, a universal truth, if you will. And I've read many forums on this site and it seems even the most experienced users are atheists and believe it's all in your head and "tricks of the mind". I really don't know what to do. I mean, what would be the point of doing the drugs if it's ultimately 'all in our heads'? I've read posts where people have had many amazing experiences, that would (to me) prove the existence of something greater than what we perceive to be our reality. But again, even those people who have these mind blowing experiences, conclude it's just a mixture of chemicals in the brain, and that it really has no meanings, and basically when we die, we die. It's all very depressing because I was researching peoples experiences, hoping I would find life changing experiences (such as hard core atheists changing their beliefs). I know I'm rambling but hopefully someone can relate to what I'm saying.. As I really don't see the point in taking these substances if it's not even real and just your brain playing tricks on you... /:

I would stop putting so much weight into what others say, and have the experience so you can see for yourself. The only persons understanding that does you any good is YOUR understanding and YOUR experiences.

Besides..you're over-generalizing a lot here. If you spend more time on the forum and chatroom and really get to know people.. you'll see that if anything the majority of people here are spiritually inclined. There has been many discussions on this before and a ton of people who used to be atheist were no longer that way after psychedelics. Actually, I highly doubt the majority here are atheists who brush the experience off as "your brain playing tricks on you".

But even if that were true..there is only one way for you to dig deeper into the mystery. Why not take a psychedelic and explore these realms for yourself? Whatever you choose, i would avoid holding too strongly to anything you might find. Ideas change a lot over time, as does interpretations of experiences and the thoughts that precipitate from these experiences. When it comes to psychedelics, i would just withhold from coming to any conclusions altogether. Beliefs are unhealthy and serve to only limit the mind. There is always more questions than answers

This could all be real... this could all be the matrix... no on one truly knows so there's no point in frustrating yourself over it. I was pretty much exactly in the same boat as you... terrified of death, frightened of heights or flying, would get caught in loops of depression that dealt with death and the very real fact that EVERYONE has to go through it one way or another. Some may think I'm wrong in this but I actually recommend psychedelics to those who have a fear of death.. seriously. As I've stated in several posts.. I have dealt with many years of depression, and more specifically the idea of death and until the end of last year the only thing that was helping me cope was marijuana ( which was pretty much like putting a band aid on a chopped off finger... it blunted the severity of the depression but in no way healed anything)... and just my own thought process where I would think myself out of these trenches.


Well a very close friend of mine introduced me to DMT and it has completely changed my life. I am no longer afraid to die... I can't wait to fly.. as a matter of fact if I had the money I would take one of those super expensive space flights!!!! This is a COMPLETE turnaround from the way I was thinking just 9-10 months ago. DMT has given me the belief that there is more than one plane of existence.. and if it turns out to be not true then oh well... at least I didn't spend my time on Earth down in the dumps about... I got enjoyment out of the little tricks our minds play on us....

edit- P.S. It's what you get out of the experience anyway. If you can take something from it then it really doesn't matter what others say.... even if it is the vast majority. If it helps you and isn't detrimental to your health (physical, mental or spiritual health) then go for it. DMT has improved all three areas for me.

Hello and welcome.

Death is nothing to be afraid of, it just as natural and a positive experience as birth. Millions of people have done it before and millions are going to be doing it. As for what happens? Well you're just gonna have to wait and see, but in the meantime get everything out of this earthly existence while it lasts, love everyone, be loved, fulfill your wildest dreams. In the end you'll have no regrets when you'll move on to the next level of existence, whatever it is. Personally I'm excited as heck..

As for whether psychedelic drugs are just tricks of the mind, you won't get the answer by asking about it on a forum, you'll just get conflicting opinions. But what you can do is experience it for yourself and make your own conclusions. There's nothing stopping you.

the only thing that was helping me cope was marijuana

So did DMT pretty much 'cure' your depression? I'm having problems with depression to but I refuse to take any pharmaceutical drugs.

Thank u

I really wouldn't say cure... cause I'm not gonna lie there have been a few times since using DMT where that familiar feeling of depression "tried" to rear it's ugly head but DMT has changed my thought process in such a positive way that when that feeling comes it's almost like my ego gives me a little pep talk every time

Me: "I'm not feeling it today"
Ego: "Now we've been through this before and we know where that road leads us to"
Me: "I know but..."
Ego: "But nothing... lets get it in high gear and forget the darkness. You are pure and radiant light. Let the world see you shine!"
Me: *jumps outta bed and gets his day going*

P.S. I will say that feeling of Depression comes WAAAAAAAY less than it did before w/o DMT. Since my experiences with DMT I've maybe had to give myself a pep talk once every month or two. Before DMT I was so depressed I was giving myself a pep talk everyday.

I actually find the contrary when it comes to this forum. Many community members believe there is something real to what you experience on DMT. I myself do not hold the beliefs that strong Christians do. I do not think that our concept of death as related to us in the bible is the truth. But for many possibilities.

People are not very good at handing down precise information. The bible was conceptualized in a time when we had very little understanding of how things worked. So it's very possible that it's slightly or completely off from its actual original description of events if it's real at all.

Now that you have an understanding of my outlook on common religion...

I believe you go somewhere when you die. Maybe we never really leave that place when we come here. All I know is I am more spiritual after having psychadelic experiences. Especially DMT. I am less afraid of death due to my DMT use. I feel that wherever we go it is a beautiful and wonderful place that will dwarf any DMT experience any has or can have. DMT is just a mere glimpse of the magnificence that is our real existence outside this realm.

I also do not discount the possibility that these are just chemicals that make you see things. I don't believe so but Its not out of the question. But even if this were true that's not a bad thing. Even if it isn't a real place it is still very real and really can help you spiritually. No matter what the cause, the effect is still there.

Just like religion, even if it were all made up. It still has helped many people conquer deep issues and problems. It has allowed people a reason to live. It had saved lives due to its ability to give some one something to hope for while alive or dead. These are all learning tools to help us grow spiritually. Find what tool helps you the most.

Nice post!

And then there are those of us that DO subscribe to traditional spiritual models, such as myself.

"Seek and ye shall find" sounds like truth to me.

Awesome. I really have been struggling with depression my whole life. I have a weight issue, I was able to lose 90 lbs at one point but just gained it all back and it's left me in a greater depression because out there in the world people base looks on everything it seems.

Ayahuasca is amazing for depression to. Even just microdosing 10g of vine at night everyday has a nice effect

I used to have depression before psychedelics as well. Not anymore though. It's a combination of things but they certainly were a key player

I dont mean to discount any of your opinions. I respect your posts, and think that your ideas are not out of the realm of possibility either. None of my ideas of spirituality nor my beliefs would likely exist without understanding other ideas first.

i find it most likely that the real truth is a combination of all our beliefs. None of them are false. We just dont have a very good understanding of the mechanics of that other place.

A man is not known for where he came, but from where he goes.

I'm one of these people as well. I had a really rough childhood and have been struggling with depression and sleep problems for years. About 1.5 years ago I went into therapy and at the same time I started taking psychedelics. Mainly mushrooms and later low doses of DMT, LSD and quite recently pharmahuasca and ayahuasca.

The substances didn't cure my depression and related problems. They however provided me the tools to look at myself and understand the reason and cause of my suffering. And because I understood the reason behind my depression I learnt to deal with it. DMT, along with the classic psychedelics / entheogens discussed here, is a catalyst. It helps helps you change how you perceive and experience and teach you how to better yourself.

Please keep in mind that these substances are tools, you will be the craftsman who does the work. By integrating the lessons from your trips in your life you can overcome your depression.

Let me give you an example to make it a bit more concrete:
As I kid I had warts all over my hands(37 to be precise) and I was too afraid to have them removed AND I had glasses. I got incredibly degraded because of my appearance. Because of this I always believed that everyone is always looking at me, judging me on my looks or my behavior, thinking negative things about me. Until about a month ago I went in the early morning to a very big forest park close to where I live to trip on mushrooms.

As I walked around and the trip intensified I also came across more and more people and I became a bit paranoid. I kept having thoughts about how they saw my dilated pupils or just KNEW I was on mushrooms and that they were judging me for me it. Until I came across this older couple who morphed incredibly and then suddenly realized that they obviously wouldn't perceive me as morphing. I also realized that they were unable to see my eyes because I wore sunglasses and if I wasn't probably wouldn't recognize dilated pupils from drugs. But apart from understanding it from a logical view, I also understood it from an emotional way. I could feel something change inside of me, as if a little piece of the puzzle got placed at the correct place.

Ever since I started taking psychedelics I feel more happy and more content with my life. I've seen unbelievably beautiful things that changed me forever. Psychedelics eased my suffering, enriched my life and made me a better and loving person.

Great post. I do have this thing about the bible, though. I have been researching the bible and have found an amazing person who interprets the bible that modern day religions (as well as modern people) fail to understand. And that is the bible is Greek mythology. It was never meant to be taken literally which modern day religion is currently doing. What is written in the bible are actually deep spiritual truths (as this person puts it) that are written in story form. And so it's up to the reader to interpret what was being told correctly. For instance, Jesus is actually the SUN, and the sun is surrounded by 12 constellations, and in the story of of Jesus, he has 12 disciples.It's also interesting to point out how the bibles always references the right side of our brain because that's the more creative side, as the bible mentions to cast your net to the right side. Also in Revelation 5:1 it says: "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals." And right hand means the right hemisphere of our brain, the back is our spine, and the seven seals are the seven chakras. I would really like to share this information with you and everyone on here. As I think it is very important for people who don't quite understand how the bible was meant to be read. Remember it's all Greek mythology, and allegories. Here is the link to the site. http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/crucifixion.html
PS- I don't believe the bible is the word of god, I am NOT religious in ANY way. I do believe the bible has been changed over the years, given its over 2,000 years old, but I do believe it has some deep spiritual truths that have been hidden in story form.

Thank you so much for sharing.

I also take this info into consideration as well, when I had first heard it i thought wow that makes a lot of sense. But I try not to establish any solid beliefs. i myself want to stay open to any possibilites. Until the truth can be known for sure.

But that is me, and i recommend no one to take anything I say on spirituality or religion as if I believe one way or another.

Whatever help you on your travels my good friend

Thank you for your thoughts. Cheers

We are energy that has resembled the form of a human. Energy has given rise to a certain set of molecules and atoms which we call "you". Since matter cannot be created or destroyed we than cannot die by the laws of physics. Everything up until now is scientifically proven and not being disputed.

As for spirituality, I myself have become more spiritual the older I have gotten. I don't believe much in organized religion, but I do believe they all have kernels or truth/wisdom. The problem with them is that the sacred books that have been written where written by Man, and the exact date that they were written is unknown. Having known people who have received PHD's by studying religion, there is a cohesive agreement that the bible really did not come to be in it's form until about the 3rd-5th century. Several other versions of Christianity are really pagan religions that become "Christianized" (Hell, and Lucifer are pagan concepts). The prophets of old were somehow able to tap into spiritual energies that individuals need help tapping into (psychedelics can open that door for some, while for others that door will remain locked). A friend of mine has a theory, that the door only opens for older souls, and newer souls have a much harder time opening the door to spirituality.

I really liked your post. I agree that it was mostly likely tampered with over the years (Hell the NIV version of the bible is a perfect example! They take all the mythological saying and turn it to something people can EASILY understand, which is totaly RUINING the point!) And I really think a long time ago people were more 'tapped in' with their third eye, and when a global shift happened, we got stuck in the left brain of rational thinking, and intellect. Maybe 12/21/12 will be the time where we shift again and go from left brain to right brain and are able to access our higher selves more easily. I think the bible mentions this because when one of the disciples asked jesus who to look for Jesus said "Look for the man with the pitcher of water". And that is actually a reference to Aquarius. And on 12/21/12 we enter into the age of Aquarius, the water man! Pretty interesting I think Thanks again for the post.