copper vapor is very very very bad for you, and remember that every time you buy copper, the factories put other oils on it in order for it not to rust and do other things. Those other oils are bad for you as well. You need to burn the copper until it stops smoking and that is when you know it's ok to smoke, the copper ought to be black if not red by that point, it's going to be burnt to a crisp.

Soaking it in acetone will also remove any substances used in manufacturing. There's more about copper in the VG thread or maybe Gibran2's copper disc thread.

Would steel wool be any better?

I had no idea different matched made such a difference in how they distributed heat or burned. This helps me a lot too, thanks for the help y'all. Haha.

I have to say in all honesty that the more I read about the vapor genie or the GVG the more it just sort of sounds like a souped up version of "the machine".

It seems like there would be a HUGE market for a more effective DMT smoking device..

For now I'm I think I'll just stick with my cheap little disposable number, until something better is invented.

- yeah me and my friends were all using bic lighters and breakthroughs were elusive until one day a lighter went dead and someone had to use matches...the result was total blind mowing breakthrough. After that we all switched to matches, kind of takes some getting used to the smell of sulfur while in hyperspace though ....

EDIT:
I have used strands of hemp wick too which works, and then I just put it into a glass of water after I was done....this is fire hazard city though so I don't really feel comfortable doing it.

IMPORTANT NOTE: ( everyone please be really careful with matches and DMT, ever burned yourself while on DMT??? not fun.)

Haha blind mowing The phrase actually works hehehe

The GVG is the best thing for DMT, its immensely efficient with a little practice. There's a reason so many people love it.

Its all about the ceramic sponge, its the temperature regulation of the airflow over the crystals which is missing from most devices. I don't know how a better device could be made by the hand of man.

I would have and may in the future get a GVG but I know a guy who owns a smoke shop in town and he sold me this brand new VG for only $35 But I was really considering a GVG because ALOT of people say it's the best.

3rdI shamelessly endorsed (plugged) the GVG by saying:



Alright, actually I completely trust you opinion and therefore I will proceed to stop making assumptions and I shall shut my noobie yapper about something I have not even tried and have little right to critique.

Only kidding about the "shameless endorsement" part.

I will be sure to ask the "north pole elves" for one this Christmas season!!

anarchy wrote:



Yeah, I think I just thought of that. Is that original..? Maybe I should hurry and patent the phrase..

I know!!...... it's the perfect name for the "next generation" of dmt smoking devices:

We shall call the DMT pipe of the future.....The Blind Mower

The only thing I can think of that would improve the gvg, from my inexperienced mind, is something that would replace the use of copper or any possibly toxic metals to "hold" the spice.

Although you could enhance damiana with DMT, which I'm about to try out soon hopefully.

Just a heads up anarchy I read somewhere on the net about someone claiming damania made them very sick...something about it have cyogenic glucosides? I believe is the term..

Anyhow, I can't be 100% on this and I can't recall the source but you might want to do some looking into the possibly toxic effects of damania if any...

if a gvg isn't working for you (it should though) you could always try sandwhiching the dmt between some herb in a bong. lightly roast the cone with the lighter not quite making contact with the herb.. just so it slowly melts the spice. this is how i always used to do it. broke me through in one toke everytime. now i just use changa though

No need to kid, it was indeed shameless. But it really is the best bit of kit to have if your in for the long run.

I understand people doubting its efficiency and its obviously not cheap, but it really is better than sliced bread once you get your technique sorted.

I think you should be a very good boy til xmas

I use the same as Eliyahu but it's longer, bent at a 45° angle and stuck in an acrylic bong. I use water and a torch. Works great. But I'm still interested in trying out the gvg

This is misinformation.

First, it’s true that copper fumes are very bad for you – quite toxic in fact. But at the temperatures reached in a GVG, there are virtually no copper fumes produced. Below the melting point of copper, it is very safe to use in the GVG.

Secondly,
mineral oil is put on copper as a lubricant when the copper is extruded to form copper ribbon. It is not put on as a rust inhibitor as you suggest, since copper doesn’t rust. (It will slowly oxidize over many years, producing a layer of green copper oxide.)

Thirdly, the idea that one must burn the copper to a crisp to remove slight traces of mineral oil is also wrong. Soaking copper in alcohol or acetone and then rinsing it in water, or just soaking it in soapy water for a bit and then rinsing it will remove all traces of mineral oil.

When copper is heated as you suggest, it oxidizes – the black material you mention is copper oxide. Since copper oxide can easily flake off of the copper, it’s possible to inhale small particles. This is not safe.

Well if I would quit being a pussy and overcome my anxiety I could tell you from experience. Although a couple of friends have had breakthrough experiences on my bong on 25-30mg doses and one friend decided he wanted 60mg.

My device works very well. But after talking with 3rdi I believe the gvg to be more efficient. Not a ton more, but for sure better. The chamber I think helps for sure. I'm going to be hopefully soon trying out the classic vg piece but attached to my bong.

I'm getting to the point of saying f*** it, I need to just dive head first with a fairly large dose. At the rate I'm going it will take me forever to get over my fears to breakthrough on small small doses. I'm just too attached to reality

Ya I did research for 2 years before my first launch. Nothing really prepared me for it though. You just gotta do it. When you get in it feels soooo good. I don't know what is with my anxiety keepin me away. I'm startin to hear the call lately. Startin to feel excited about it. Think it's almost time.

Yup. That's how you got to do it. (With the best, honest intentions of course) You'll be glad you did.

And to the op.. I have a wooden VG and i'm not too fond of it. In comparison to the glass VG....the GVG is superior in my opinion.

Although...nothing has topped mini bong for me. I've used straight crystal sandwiched between two herbs, and currently I use 1:1 changa and I breakthrough EVERY time.. Make sure if you happen to do the sandwich method...when you light the top layer of leaf....drag the cherry realllll slow so you have a good chance of properly vaping the spice/properly filling the bong. Pull carb, take....hold indefinitely.....