Alright so after the failed attempts last weekend at smoking some dimitri I have bought a classic vapor genie to help out.

Well I just tried to smoke a small dose of 10mg and still no visuals or anything. I have a slight slight body high and that is it. At first I put 10mg on some chore boy and I held the smoke in for at least 10 seconds them exhaled and felt nothing. Next I got rid of the chore boy and just put 10mg dmt in the VG and I got alot more smoke this time but still no visuals???

My technique was to hold the flame in the bowl of the VG and inhale hard as I lit the ceramic plate. Within 5 seconds I had that burnt plastic taste in my mouth so I know I got dmt vapors but I dont know why I am getting no results.

Am I suppose to hold the lighter on the plate first then inhale once I see smoke coming out, or am I doing it right and just part of that unlucky 10% who isnt affected by dmt

If you are using a wooden vapor genie I think it is a lot harder because you can't see the DMT and you may be burning it which would cause the effects you describe. Also it could be dripping down into the pipe.

I've never used a vg and have had great success, I may be wasting more than some but I feel pretty confident in my technique, just get a regular pipe and place some mj, caapi leaves, oregano, tobacco, what have you in the bottom then place the spice on top and more plant material on top of that, then hold the flame above the material, do not touch it with the flame and inhale. If you still aren't getting anything move closer and closer, you may end up touching the material with the flame but just pull on it till you get something and you will find the sweet spot.

You may have to up your dosage a bit doing it this way just start with 10 and see how it goes.

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I have never used a GVG but everyone swears by it so it should work really well...I use a glass oil burner and matches...

I noticed that with the glass oil burner one MUST use matches or a torch lighter...

Are you using a bic lighter? This may be the trouble.

Also you might try 20mg

I use this ugly thing, but it has never let me down.

I asked around about it first and people said classic vg works fine and using a bic (I used a grill lighter) also works.

So do you think I held the flame too close to the pipe and burned up all the spice? What I did was begin to inhale and move the flame closer until I could see the flame get sucked down from me inhaling. At that point I had the taste of burnt plastic. Maybe I should have held the flame higher up so the flame didnt get sucked downward???

Perhaps a bic works, but I assure you a torch lighter or good matches works far better because of the different way that they distribute heat.

A bic will probably work if you don't hold it too close and maybe tip the pipe to the side so the DMT does not all just melt and roll straight down into the pipe.

2 things.

1. Don't inhale hard. Inhale slowly. Make sure you premelt the spice into the copper. Then light and inhale slowly.

2. 10mg is a very small dose. Good job starting slow. Now up to 15 and try again. If your feeling a body load on 10mg that means its working. Up the dose slowly.

Read the dosage guide by clicking the link in my signature for more info.

How do I premelt the spice into the copper??? I thought I was just suppose to put the copper in and the spice on top of that so if the spice does melt the copper would catch it?

Yea basically, but before you do be sure to cook the copper on the stove to get rid of all of those additives they put on copper. Copper itself requires 1200 Fahrenheit to start melting, but the other oils on it burn easily at around 100 degrees.

As for premelting, it means that you can heat the copper first, and than drop the spice in. I prefer to load and than lite.

P.S. 10 miligrams is nothing, don't expect to get much out of 10 mg.

I dont use the vapor genie just so you know, my experience is purely from reading many many posts by users that do. One user stated that by loading the spice then hitting it very slow for only a couple seconds would do the trick. then you wait for a minute, then clear your breath, and take a long slow hit. I also suggest holding it in for longer. Like 15+ seconds.

You can get more info on using the vaporgenie and premelting so on... HERE

Everything you need to know is in there. But like i said, 10mg isnt very much and will most likely only give you body load, and for some people very light visuals.

it takes more than 10mg for me to see visuals. It gets stronger the more you take.

Triumph sounds like they know how to do it.

I don't mean to sound super critical to you drewsifer69, and another member can correct me if I am mistaken but I believe copper tastes bad and may have negative health effects...(think of how pennies smell).

I would personally suggest stainless steel instead.

i have no experience with copper but I do with stainless, and i tell you what i hate the flavor it gives off. I believe both to be somewhat harmful though.

After reading triumphs post I changed what I said about a melt not being needed, sorry anarchy, your too quick for me..


So I have never used copper because I just kind of assumed it would taste worst but if you have tried them both then I would trust your opinion anarchy

I think copper is fine at the temps generated while using a GVG/VG.

I have copper in my GVG and it is tastless.

Alright I will try again tomarrow. I will hold the lighter a little further away and take slow tokes. I will try 15mg and if I still feel nothing I am going straight to 25mg lol.

Just to be clear, do I start inhaling as soon as I begin to light it or do I wait a few seconds for it to heat up?

Well I am going to be trying copper, but like i said I have not. Only Stainless. But I also could have been using the stainless wrong. or it could have been the brand I used.

It's all trail and error

I think i saw once on some copper fittings, a sticker that said "known to the state of California to cause cancer and/or birth defects"

Also recently there was a post by a new user stating "metal fume fever" but i dont think we heat up the copper or stainless in a VG or GVG enough to cause issues.

I need to hurry up and buy a GVG so I can actually post as a knowledgeable user rather than just someone who has memorized info written from experienced people lol

if your using a lighter than without inhale you arent really doing any heating. So light the lighter and as soon as you are within reach start inhaling slowly. Also, after you have exhaled, if at all possible and SAFE, try hitting it again. That will tell you if you have vaped all the spice or not. Which will help you in learning how to use the device.

Good Luck

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Haha, I'm too stoned to read..

Thanks Anarchy and everyone else

I will post back here tomarrow and let you know if it worked or if I mesed it up again lol

May the force be with you....