Wow QB, nice procedure you got yourself there. You should post it in extractions so it doesn't get lost. Does one notice any differences in effect? Especially stomach upset?

so how much extract would one suggest to take with a 50-60mg dose of DMT?

if you already have syrian rue extract, is it still necessary to make tea? You could just fill another gelcap or two with 1.5 g of extract and take those , or dissolve the extract in water and honey, no? H

[quote:81e6a260ac="habib"]if you already have syrian rue extract, is it still necessary to make tea? You could just fill another gelcap or two with 1.5 g of extract and take those , or dissolve the extract in water and honey, no? H[/quote:81e6a260ac] 1.5 grams of extract is way too much.1.5 grams of seeds will already inhibit MAO enough for DMT to be orally active.400 mg's of harmala alkaloids will produce full inhibition.But you don't need to get full inhibition.Half that amount will work.You can play around with that to achieve desired intensity and duration of trip

Is there a MAOI that one can take without having to go through an extraction process? That guy in Siberia says he has enough of a task in the Dimitri extraction itself...

[quote:86e3cc3a26="quantumbrujo"][quote:86e3cc3a26="habib"]if you already have syrian rue extract, is it still necessary to make tea? You could just fill another gelcap or two with 1.5 g of extract and take those , or dissolve the extract in water and honey, no? H[/quote:86e3cc3a26] 1.5 grams of extract is way too much.1.5 grams of seeds will already inhibit MAO enough for DMT to be orally active.400 mg's of harmala alkaloids will produce full inhibition.But you don't need to get full inhibition.Half that amount will work.You can play around with that to achieve desired intensity and duration of trip[/quote:86e3cc3a26] Found some of this, so you think 200mg would be plenty? This stuff is only [sorry, no sources and no prices here please. -zhah]

[quote:3c349362b5="quantumbrujo"][quote:3c349362b5="habib"]if you already have syrian rue extract, is it still necessary to make tea? You could just fill another gelcap or two with 1.5 g of extract and take those , or dissolve the extract in water and honey, no? H[/quote:3c349362b5] 1.5 grams of extract is way too much.1.5 grams of seeds will already inhibit MAO enough for DMT to be orally active.400 mg's of harmala alkaloids will produce full inhibition.But you don't need to get full inhibition.Half that amount will work.You can play around with that to achieve desired intensity and duration of trip[/quote:3c349362b5] quantum- So do you think that 200 mg would be enough for say, a two hour adventure? would like to try this, but not down for a 5 hour ride. i know it all depends from extract to extract, but just a rough guesstimate would be helpful.... thx

Ok so I have been able to find some experiences of people trying it this way. From what I have read the best way is to take the MAOI as an extract. It looks like a lot of people use moclobemide, but it looks like using harmaline or harmine work better and is probably easier on your body. A good dose of MAOI looks to be between 50 and 300mg. I also found the experiences with harmine run 3 to 4 hours, experiences with harmaline run 5 to 6 hours. I would assume that this would be because 100mg harmaline is equivalent to about 200mg harmine hcl. Another trick that I found is that the fasting before the dose can actually hurt the experience. It looks like if you do your normal MAOI diet and fasting and then take your MAOI and wait 20 to 90 min and take your DMT then you should take 2 teaspoons of olive oil or eat something fatty to help move the DMT out of the gallbladder and make it a stronger better experience with less nausea. I have also seen that the freebase DMT is kind of hard on the stomach and it might help to put it in some kind of solution possibly acidic to neutralize the base first so that it does not upset your stomach. I have also seen DMT doses from 30 to 60mg. Well this is so far what I have come up with I am sure with a little more research I might come up with some more.

SWIMs experience is that using the alkaloids is vastly superior to brewing. No nausea , no diarhea. YMMV, of course. SWIM also prefers it to vapeing as vapeing seems to give some swims a corrupted, freakish feeling that swim is doing something wrong. Orally, swim finds it to be pure goodness (usually). Naturally, set and setting rules apply, a good time and a healing experience is at least 50% the users responsibility.

That girl was extremely pretentious in my opinion and I thought she made a poor representative for the experience. I also got the impression that she was at least partially full of shit. It is not as easy as some think to make DMT into a salt. It's not just a simple process, you'll almost always get a goo and waste product. SWIM's preferred oral route is 3g Syrian Rue followed by a 150mg cap of DMT with 50mg cap boosters for backup. Lovely ride.

is it possible to include both the dimitri and harmaline in the same cap? assuming not... would be nice though