Hello there,

I've recently heard about DMT from one of Sam Harris' vids and was curious enough to research it for a few days. Having absolutely no intentions of taking this drug due to my very straight-edge personality, I was shocked to even notice that I might want to take this "drug." I was drawn to it because of curiosity. Not the sort of curiosity other drugs might have for the "social coolness" or whatever, but the curiosity of getting closer to understanding the human brain and the perception of reality. I feel it could beneficially improve many aspects of my life, including my deep academic interest in science.

My question is that would it be a bad idea for a person to start on such a potent substance without any previous use of any other drugs (including alcohol)?

Many thanks,
Mimosa

The answer to this is probably yes; somewhat akin to asking "Would it be bad for a person to try Polish rectified spirits, or Everclear, before having tried a beer?"

Personally Im glad to have come across DMT some years after trying the other psychedelics.This is a better way, IMO.

But I guess if the aim of the experience was to show someone how 'bad' drugs can be, then DMTs amongst the few drugs that can really horrify someone enough to develop a major aversion to trying other 'drugs'.


And welcome to the Nexus!!

Thanks for the input man, I appreciate it

Welcome! In answer to your question, if you research and know what you are getting into, then I see no reason why it should be a problem. No amount of reading can even come close to the real thing though, it really is something to behold!

Remember, you can always start low and work your way up, DMT is incredibly powerful and can be extremely uncomfortable at higher doses, even if one is used to tripping 'hard' on other substances. Take your time and enjoy the ride, good luck!

Oh , me too. So glad. I didn't try dmt until I was about 40. I'm so glad I didn't get to try it before then. Now I'm more apt to use it infrequently. If I had found this in my 20's I probably would have over used it and turned myself into a babbling wreck. I have things a little more under control these days.

I wouldn't start with dmt. I have a feeling that a lower dose pharma trip might be okay for a first trip, but I have never taken pharma, so I may be incorrect.

LSD or mushrooms would be a better place to start, or cannabis, but if you don't have any desire to take drugs, you probably shouldn't. If you are truly a straight edge and you took a psychedelic... even cannabis, you would probably spend the whole experience beating yourself up psychologically.
Why does this drug seem attractive to you? And do others seem un-attractive or "bad"?

Thanks for all the feedback, If I do decide to do it, I plan on waiting till im atleast 30, when i'm hopefully "settled" and because my brain will surely be fully developed by then, and I think I will feel more mature than my college-kid self right now.

The reason why DMT is more attractive to me than other drugs is because from what i read, it's one of the very few drugs that are endogenous, non-synthetic, and is one of the "safest." I know there are still some risks associated with DMT, but relatively speaking, it seems to be the least harsh on the body. The more conventional drugs are not interesting to me because they seem to only give people good emotions, highs, etc, along with the health problems and addiction. I think DMT will give me more, specifically a new focal point on life, which is what I'm looking for.
There's still a lot of reading to be done.

Ultimately, yes it would be a bad idea.

1) Higher risk of a chaotic trip due to misunderstanding (bad, negative, confusing trip)
2) Harder to intergrate

I was in a similar situation as you and decided to try shrooms first. I'm glad I did because the mind space experience gave me understanding for the DMT trips.

Warning: This is not to be confused with assumption on the trip.

Also, here is a link to the health and safety wiki entry: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...s_Wiki:Health_and_Safety


Be safe.

besides morning glory seeds and a few mild trips on salvia.. DMT was my first psychedelic. My friends even said I took a huuuugggggeeeee leap to start with DMT. My intentions was to start with shrooms but since discovering the nexus and being somewhat "guided" by a close friend of mine who is very experienced with DMT, I decided to try DMT first. I didn't even know what DMT was a year or two ago. Once I researched and found out about this wonderful molecule I decided it would be WAAAAAYYYYYYY easier and faster to do my own DMT extraction rather than grow some shrooms (which I'm still thinking about doing)....

I feel like if you go in prepared and with respect then DMT will cradle you. Start small and work your way up... I must admit though when I first was introduced to DMT I went overboard a few times but I'm actually glad that DMT was my first psychedelic experience (and I've since learnt to pace myself)... it has completely changed my life towards a more positive spectrum (I was once plagued with deep depression episodes)...

I can only recommend it to be honest... if others believe I'm being reckless with this recommendation then I apologize.

P.S. At the same time I feel DMT isn't for everyone though.

Hmmm, makes sense. I guess it would be a good idea to try shrooms first to give me some framework on what any trip is, since i've never had any hallucinations.

Thank you for your comment.

Thanks for providing your opinion on the other side psychonaut. Ultimately it's up to me to make the decision, but it's nice to know someone out there has had a positive experience with DMT with it being the first drug.

thanks

No doubt my friend... I'm glad you are researching before trying...

There's alot of youngsters that go into these powerful realms with no previous notion of what they are getting into... only to pay dearly and be turned away from the true beauty of this molecule...

Example

*Party scene*

*Guy #1 pulls out a bowl with DMT in it*
Guy #2: Hey whats that?
Guy #1: Just a little DMT
Guy #2: What's DMT?
Guy #1: Man this shit is crazy man.. you be seein all kinds of stuff... it's stronger than anythang I promise
Guy #2: Can I hit that?
Guy #1: sure man... here ya go

*Guy #2 hits the bowl... curls up in fetal position for 10 minutes... comes back and proceeds to call 911*

lol.. if the knowledge is there and you still take the plunge before thoroughly researching then you only have yourself to blame for the repercussions

I salute your enthusiasm, curiosity and willingness to research before acting.

Mimosa, Im just going to give you my 2cents I havent tried DMT yet, but I will for sure. But if I were you, I'd start off with a little bit of Cannabis first. See how you react and feel. But before you do so, id recommend that you do some more research (if you haven't already)... IMHO I think that these plants, can be very special, and important. Much better then pills from Big Pharma So take it one step at a time, and I think you'll know when your ready for DMT or the other Psychedelics. Just take the time to make sure that your in a positive state of mind/emotional state, and that your in a happy setting before you embark on your trip. You do those things you should have a good experience

Hahaha! so true

I was never fond of those types of people ,unfortunately they are the ones who cause these potentially beneficial drugs to become illegal *sigh*
Anyways, Thanks man!

Thanks for the input cosmic!

I don't plan on taking cannabis anytime soon because i think i'm to young for it, but the older me will take this into consideration

Drugs that make you "feel good" tend to be the physically addictive drugs. Stimulants like Meth, Cocaine. Depressants like Heroin, Alcohol. DMT is in a third class of drugs known as psychedelics. With very few exceptions, psychedelics are not addictive.

Like you, I'm mainly interested in what the drugs can teach me. About my own subconscious thoughts and conflicts, and about how the mind works. I'm not particularly interested in recreational use, and I'm not the least bit interested in use to "fit in" socially. I'm a pretty straight person, with a degree in engineering and making my living as a professional software developer. For years I wanted to try LSD, but I had no contact for drugs. As a geeky person, I eventually learned that growing my own psychoactive mushrooms was not too hard. I also tried other things I could make myself - LSA, mescaline, and even DMT. I find mushrooms to be my personal favorite as far as learning things. If I had to recommend something, I would recommend starting with mushrooms, which are not really any more difficult to grow yourself than it is to extract DMT. If you don't want to wait the two months it is going to take from start to finish to grow mushrooms, you could buy some live mescaline-containing cactus. If you really want to start with DMT, I would recommend a low oral dose vs. smoking.

Even though DMT is extremely powerful... I would say it isn't too bad of a starting point for psychedelics. It can be mellow and it can quickly show you your limits.

1.It is extremely short acting, making any uncomfortable experience over quickly.
2.It has a very familiar mental feel compared to other psychedelics.
3.It's safe, not unlike most hallucinogens. But cuts out the risk of contamination or false advertisement from other sources, particularly if extracted by the user.
4.You still have your wits about you for the most part and your thinking isn't impaired as with such things as LSD.

The only caution I would use is that one should measure twice and gradually move up in dosage, starting very low and acclimating. I would also HIGHLY recommend changa or pre dosing with a bit of harmalas before vaping, to make it a little smoother.

Also I find DMT completely different than any other psychedelic so you are not really getting prepared for it by using others. You may get used to the nature of the visuals with mushrooms and such but mushrooms alter your thinking and last a lot longer which may be more difficult to handle than a clear headed 20 mins.

Holy shit.... thank you both of you. This is so much information I needed to know, I'll definitely keep them in my mind.

Great advice by all and I would reiterate as well.

Settle yourself down on a weekend, and try to acquire some of the finest Lovely Lady (Cannabis/Marijuana) you can get your hands on. After which, maybe chill on Saturday night all by yourself, with your favorite bunch of tunes on hand (mp3 player for example) on a portable recliner underneath the stars. Just be yourself, true to how you are.

Take a couple of solid hits to the best of your ability, who cares if you look or think you feel like a clown in your first technique-esque baby steps, all were once that way too. Eventually you'll find your way to be one with her/it. Do the obvious safety/security precautions and have a bottle of water nearby incase of dry mouth. Cough in your shirt, sleave, etc.

Before you know it, those stars + your music will have you traveling off this planet. Based on how you sound, you'll most likely have one heck of a time. And then you'll know the potential and power of the psychedelics, with the Lovely Lady (Cannabis/Marijuana) believe it or not amidst your amazement being actually one of the more "milder ones" as it's traditionally said. You'll then probably say something along the lines of "Motha....Fu.. and I wanted to try DMT first."

Good luck to you, you'll never be the same (and welcome to the Nexus btw)

Great advice skippy... +1

Even though I wasn't putting mj in the same class as psychs, I think mj can most certainly be an enhancing tool and guide not for just starting your journey on psychedelics (especially considering you have no previous history with literally anything) but also for life in general.

I've been an avid partaker of Cannabis for 13-14+ years... and I must say it most definitely is a healer. I said earlier I was suffering from deep depression... cannabis also helped with this but the thing is I dont/didn't have cannabis 24/7 so my mind state was a fluctuating thing. When I tried DMT it was like a switch was "flipped" in my brain... and the rest is history.

Basically what I'm saying is... Cannabis and DMT rule in more ways than one.

Thanks guys, this is so much wisdom to absorb. I appreciate the objective viewpoint on mj rather than the peer pressure-esque "yo it's awesome brah" you get a lot of times.

All in all, I think its best for me to start my experiences after college, to make sure it doesn't interfere with anything.


Other than that, I reckon my question has fully been answered, so I'll let the thread die.
Many thanks to you all ,
Mimosa