That sounds like a whole lot of fun to me

I feel this is the same debate about alcohol vs marijuana all over again. It doesn't matter how you consume it. The status quo will always view alcohol ok and marijuana simply because ones legal and the others not. If alcohol could be smoked cigarette companies would've been all over it by now.

I think the most important link to be made about drugs is that they are just that, drugs.

You seem to be strictly referring to psychoactive/recreational drugs exclusively, so in regards to claiming that a few are "good" and the rest are "bad" is just the user playing the same game people who claim all "drugs are bad" play. It seems a lot of people involved with habitually smoking marijuana or entheogen use like to reinforce the ideology that the drugs they are taking are separate and "good" in comparison to a variety of stimulants, depressants, and opiates, and more interestingly, sometimes synthetic psychedelics. There are no good or bad drugs, a pile of any substance is quite safe if left alone on the counter. They become dangerous when one uses the substance ignorantly and irresponsibly.

I wish more people where I live had a more open minded view about drugs.

Here if it's legal or given to you by a doctor then in the peoples eyes it's fine but EVERYTHING else is bad, obviously I live in a very catholic country and in a small area to boot.

I went to a new years party last year at the house of some people I know with my girlfriend (oh yeah I should mention that I quit booze and fags some time ago). Everyone at this party was drinking and they were trying to get me to have a drink too, at first I said 'no thanks I'm driving' but hey kept on pushing it then it got to 'thanks but I don't drink as I don't really enjoy he effects' but they kept on pushing.

In the end the girlfriend of a friend of mine started shouting a me (she was drunk of course) 'You no smoke, you no drink so what you do?!' I told her that I play guitar and that's how I get my kicks now but she carried on until my girlfriend who was also pretty drunk just said to her quietly 'he occasionally smokes a bit of marijuana' (bad decision)

The reaction was not good (although I knew it wouldn't be that's why I was avoiding saying it) she kicked off telling me that weed was really bad and in a couple of years my mind would be gone and I would be a total vegetable, that I would be much better off with booze and fags like normal people. I quietly left the party shortly after as I didn't want (I really did want!) an argument.

I have never had any drugs pushed on me like that and it really cemented my negative view of alcohol.

I think that maybe allot of the population in he states may see how stupid these drug laws really are but in many other countries this is definitely not the case. I'm not sure if a smokable form of alcohol would fix this even if it was possible, but I do think something needs to be done to change this negative view on at least natural drugs as this is pure insanity.

Peace and love always

A pile of any substance is quite safe if left alone on the counter.

YES.

so in regards to claiming that a few are "good" and the rest are "bad" is just the user playing the same game people who claim all "drugs are bad" play.

NO.

The people calling all drugs are bad are uneducated. And they are claiming the drug is bad going into your body, not sitting on the counter. People who can distinguish between drugs that should go into your body and drugs that shouldnt are not playing some game.

Bath salts are drugs. They are bad.

It seems a lot of people involved with habitually smoking marijuana or entheogen use like to reinforce the ideology that the drugs they are taking are separate and "good" in comparison to a variety of stimulants, depressants, and opiates, and more interestingly, sometimes synthetic psychedelics.

It's not an ideology that Meth is not good whatsoever. it has no medicinal use and causes extreme damage to the body. I know from experience. There are many others that fall into the category "bad" due to damage they cause, addictive properties, ect.

Thank you everyone for your comments.

What drugs should go in your body? Psychedelics? Antibiotics? Plant drugs? The inference that there is an absolute truth in regards to what drugs we should be taking, is arrogant and seemingly a biased drug user's ideology. I'm not saying it is, but it really comes off that way. There are pros and cons to EVERY psychoactive compound.


Meth has no medical use? It has been accepted and marketed as a medication for child and adult obesity, and more commonly as ADHD treatment, under the name Desoxyn. It is quite effective in treating narcolepsy as well. Of course habitual and daily use of any drug is going to do more harm than good, but they aren't very dangerous if taken as prescribed and or responsibly.

Again, drugs are drugs, they're all dangerous to some degree or another(what isn't?), and they are neither good nor bad.

Your seriously going to use prescription drugs as an example? I'm sorry but i cannot take you seriously with that one. I do agree with parts of what you are saying but you are not referencing to what i am saying. I am not nor have I ever said that any drugs should go into ones body. My entire context is that they shouldnt be illegal when obviously some of them are less dangerous than others.

Just curious, what meds do you have personal experience with?

The whole idea of classifying them as "bad" is classifying them as "bad to put into your body" and if you seriously think just because heroin can help with pain makes it "not bad" to put in your body we will not agree. The negatives outway the bad. Even when taken responsibly. I can go on and on about how even when taking hydrocodone, oxycodone, and tramadol ect. responsibly there are VERY NEGATIVE outcomes. I have extensive experience with Prescription meds, and knowledge of how they effect the body.

I understand you are saying none of them are bad or good, but HOW.

So please go on.

Hey, since these waters are starting to get muddy, on behalf of the OP, some clarification: this isn't about good vs bad... It's about legal vs nonlegal.

thank you, I started to get off topic myself. Which is something that seems common with me.

Drugs are neither good or bad. they are just chemicals that interact with your body in certain ways dependent of the person.

Some chemicals are used in a fashion to "feel" a certain way. Some people refer to them as drugs. when referring to them as drugs, common ones like heroin, cocaine, meth, and marijuana, they can be seen as good recreational drugs or bad recreational drugs. Unfortunately this opinion differs between different humanly bodies.

So then some became illegal, which couple with outrageous claims, have made a bad name for some drugs that shouldnt be illegal in the first place. Pot has been termed a "bad" drug. yet alcohol in the general publics eye is considered OK. It is undeniable that marijuana has less potential to negative side effects caused from abuse as alcohol. Some people can use it wisely, a lot cannot.

Marijuana, if abused, can lead to severe sleepyness, and hunger. Which can cause depletion of money and a messy house.

the drugs I referred to as bad when abused cause much more negative side effects. ie. eating of faces

You rally a defense for MJ. because you like it, thus papering over one of it's more sinister sides, that being it's propensity to cause psychosis in certain succeptable individuals, there are numerous documentated cases of this, even to the extent of inducing a full blown schizophrenia in younger users.

Alcohol is legal ( most places, not all though) beacause it's been historicaly and universaly liked, laws unfortunately don't take into account the views of the fringe minority.

You said it has no medical use, he gives you a legit example that Meth is actually prescribed as a medication. And then you insult him for using a prescription drug as an example?

This is confusing, are you saying all of western medicine is a sham? That's pretty closed minded, its as closed minded as saying that Western Medicine is the only thing that works.

Meth itself is far less harmful then the Meth Mouth campaigns would have you believe, the lifestyle has far more to do with what meth mouth is then the drug itself. Again a case of where the abuse of a substance is the harm.

I think the same applies with pretty much everything.