After going through my initial newbie adjustment period, it seems fairly common, that many newbies have issues "breaking thru" due to many reasons.

I believe the bottom line, is, until you get your technique of lighter control, doseage, breathing and breath holding, etc. in line, you most likely are NOT actually delivering the full doseage to your lungs.

I personally think that a 25mg dose is unrealistic until you get your techniques all in line. The beings that breakthru with 25mg are MORE experienced users that have had an opportunity to fine tune their techniques (ie. better delivery of full doseage).

Therefore, I believe newbies need to start with a higher doseage, ie. 50mg, if using a good vaping device (ie. VG or GVG).

By doing that, especially with newbie lack of technique, you have a MUCH greater chance of getting enough in your lungs to achieve "breakthru".

Once you start fine tuning your technique, you can start to reduce the doseage, if desired, to match your more efficient vaping style.

SMOALK MORE!!!

i think the main reason most new comers fail to "breakthrough"(god, i hate that term) is because they cant read or use a search function properly

Of course there's the major risk that they do have sufficient technique and 50mg ends up being rather traumatizing because it puts the newbie in a highly intense situation that they haven't developed the proper mental faculties to deal with yet because they've jumped off the high dive and can't even tread water yet. Even if you effectively deliver a breakthrough dose, resistance to the experience, and becoming terrified can hold you back from breaking through anyway. A lot of the time, going all the way is dependent on one's ability to surrender and let go, and if one doesn't have a lot of experience with DMT at lower dosages, this ability usually isn't developed a lot in many. Of course at a certain dosage, this all becomes irrelevant and it'll just rip you right out of your body before you know what hit you, but it's not the safest way to play it like that with newbies.

Personally I was one of the people who took a very long time (frustratingly so) to break through. I am thoroughly satisfied with the way my journeys have taken me over the stretch of my use, and I find the low dose experiences (which could still easily be the most intense experiences of many people's lives) to have been incredibly necessary and useful. No need to rush for the breakthrough. Once you're ready for it, it will come.

You have a valid point to some degree, imo

So, perhaps the gentler approach would be to up the doseage by 5mg at a time starting with 15 to 20mg. By doing that, you incrementaly progress to the "high dive", if needed.......

I think total surrender and letting go, should be a known, given, if the participant has done their research prior to jumping into the waters. So for that, sorry, i have little sympathy for people that don't do their due diligence, especially when using such a powerful substance.

Personally, I found it very frustrating, that it took so many attempts and adjustments in my techniques, etc., to get to where I am now.

Especially beings with limited funds, ie. limited spice, can get frustrated more easily because they have so little spice to start with, and no extra funds to keep buying, to further their quest.

I believe there is a fair amount of folks that end up moving on after numerous attempts that were shy of breakthru's.

Do you not believe, as you mentioned, that since it took you so long to adjust your approach, that you wouldn't have been happier to reach that point sooner?



I believe until you have your techniques worked out, you aren't ready............so until then...........

SMOALK MORE!!! The meek or timid probably shouldn't tread in these waters anyway...............

IMHO

I don't think this is an issue of doing your homework and research so much as it is about practice. There are floods of users who know that they have to surrender and let go, but when the time comes to put that to action, they cannot. They end up trying to pull out, begging for it to be over as it torments them. They may realize they need to let go in order to make use of the situation most effectively, but ultimately they cannot execute. It's true that so many of us desire breakthroughs initially, but the amount who are actually truly prepared to deal with them are a much lower statistic.



Perhaps ever so slightly sooner, but I stand by what I said, and what I meant was that in retrospect, I'm glad that I took my time to get there because when I did having hundreds of sub-breakthrough experiences, I was prepared as ever, and the breakthrough was highly enjoyable. Had I been thrown in that same situation from the start, I don't think it would have ended the same way. That's a big part of it is that the way you react to it can have a significant influence on the course the experience takes. If you get in over your head, and start resisting, while it won't stop the trip and cause nothing but trauma, it won't end the same way as it would if you unconditionally surrendered IME. And unconditional surrender in such intense situations takes practice and is much easier said than done for many.

Also I don't think readiness is a function of having your technique worked out. I've had a lot of experience with this molecule, but I'm constantly making slight adjustments to my technique which can have radical effects on efficiency. I can breakthrough on 20mg for a while now, but I've had to start dialing it back because my technique is refining too much for my own good. Merging with the godhead on 20mg and nothing else is still an amazingly powerful experience.

Additionally, virtually 90% of the trainwreck disaster stories you see here on the nexus are overdose stories where they loaded up a large amount that they shouldn't have been loading up. If lower doses don't work, you can work your way up slowly, but it's illogical and reckless to just tell people (newbies being a class of people who have a high rate of being terribly misinformed) to just take so much right from the get-go.

In your humble opinion, of course.

In my not so humble opinion this obsession with this "breakthrough "
Is problematic for many reasons .

I believe this whole thing to be a coommited process that takes time to learn and evolve like an instrument .

Advising people to load up large doses is not a great concept unless less people partaking in spice is the ultimate goal.

Personally I don't like to read about young people getting tortured and terrified by this thing . After reading many stories on here I see a combination of things at work .

Carelessness , bad advice, bad or no research, horrible settings, combining with other drugs and alcohol, careless dosing, and most of all an under estimation of the power of this stuff .

That being said part of learning is making mistakes so
I guess its all part of the process

^^ We are all newbies when it comes to DMT to think otherwise is not giving the molecule the respect that it deserves and will show one sooner or later by knocking them off their high horse, myself included!
If someone has to purchase their spice ...IMO... they're not ready to go further. When they are serious enough to take the time to extract their own THEN they may be ready, just maybe

I've seen the spirit molecule documentary, in that show they used the term "Surrender" I noticed its used here as well. My question is what dose the mean exactly? I have a general idea, but not 100%, can anyone clarify that for me?

When I first administered spice, there was resistance. I did not want to fully let go, it was like I was trying with all my might to keep myself in this world and not drift away. The visuals I was seeing suddenly lost a layer to them. The way I see surrender is to let the resistance go, and let you're self be swept away by the cosmic stream. You may chose to go against it and this will prevent you from breaking through.

Try setting a day to smoke, like one or two weeks

And everyday think of it, all about it, after four days you will be thinking of it constantly.

And when you finally smoke it, i bet you the anxiety rush will be smoother as; and your mind will be able to stride it better and get heaps farther.

It is how i met my first fully formed Entity in HD
It even spoke to me and i listened. this time!
PLRrrrrrr

I see ^^ That makes scents, I guess I'll see what happens why I try this, but I have a much better Idea now thanks

You should post your findings plrrrr