Whats the general consensus about that. I've been listening to a lot of Joe Rogan and Terrance McKenna, and the vibe im getting from all of this is that, your consciousness never/cant die. That you just shed your body, go to the void/hyperspace, and then be sent back to another body. Kind of the like Surrogates with Bruce wills. And DMT is a a portal to that relm, Is my conclusion correct?

If anyone answers "yes", ignore him. All knowledge is provisional, and if there's anything difficult to define in these matters, that's consensus.

I hope not

BTW the void and hyperspace IMO(at least) are different things/places

Whats the difference between the two?

Having never died, I can't answer that question lol. It reminds me of an old buddhist story, where the student goes to the master and asks what happens after we die and the master responds by saying he doesn't know. The student is bothered by this and persists saying 'but your the master! you're supposed to know everything!' to which the master responds 'yes, but I'm not a dead master.'

Laughs are had by all. But honestly, there is really no telling while we are still alive. That being said, it does FEEL like that might be the case, or at least it definately feels like I've been there before all this Earth stuff started. But we can't know for sure you of course realize.

One thing I can speak pretty confidently about though is that if we can exist in that state even for just the few minutes while were on DMT, then that sort of serves as circumstantial proof that you will survive the death of your body in some way. If we need to bring thermodynamics and such into this then if conciousness is a type of energy then physics says it can't be destroyed, only changed which sort of gets into the whole 'living many lives' thing and reincarnation but again, who can know for sure?

I'll say one thing though, sure seems like its SOMETHING to that effect yeah?

Void is a void(empty space lacking matter), hyperspace is a place with all kinds of things out there

They are (for me anyway) the absolute polar opposite of each other. As tele says, the void is nothingness, not just no space but also no time or "self"... hyperspace on the other hand is like a trans-dimensional disco, a torrent of sensory input.

As for whether either of them are what awaits us after death, I have no idea... and I'm not convinced anyone else does either. We experience these things whilst alive, so it seems silly to use them to draw conclusions about what happens when we cease to be alive.

Thanks for clearing that up guys. And Tek I agree with you. I for sure think there something important about DMT, im trying to find the connection with our ancient civilizations, like the Sumerians and Egyptians. I really want to see how everything ties together. I just have to do a bit more research. to have a clearer idea.

Well, I have died in the technical sense. By that I mean I have had no hearbeat and no pulse for a documented period of time (over three minutes). I'm not sure how long it was exactly, due to being in that state for an un-documented period of time prior to the paramedics arriving and being taking me to a trauma unit. Could be up to three or four times that long.

I'm not claiming I know what it's like to die without coming back because obviously I was revived, but I did experience "the other side" or what it's like to die and experience the the death of this body, leaving this body, the "death" experience, and being forced back into this body.

The problem is that I have never been to hyperspace. I'll be doing my first extract really shortly so I'll do my own comparison (this is actually one of the many things that drew me to this incredible substance). Anyways the question really interests me.

Ayanami, I believe it's more complicated than language and the lack of it

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I don't understand what you are saying

I just believe it's more complicated than what you described, that's all.
Before stating things as facts, it's better to back them up, too. A thing unfortunately not too obvious in our board.



So you think that is a good explanation?

I've heard somewhere although I question the validity of the source, I've heard our consciousness can remain for 12 seconds after a beheading. Has nothing to do with anything as usual just throwin that out there.

R.A.W. ftw. I mean, what the hell does that guy know?

I wonder how they counted that.. Maybe they sewed the head back on one of the beheadees and started him up again and he was like "duuuudes, I was conscious for like 12 seconds after you guys topped me off!"

Hi there,

Love this topic. In fact death is possibly what draw me to DMT in the first place after I briefly died in a nightclub in my 20s. In fact the very question you asked refused to leave my mind after the event. Actaully I died when I was about 6 when a doctor squeezed a anthill type growth on my knee and I went into cardiac arrest. I remember very little of that experience.

I do remember the other one very vididly though, and it was nothing akin to DMT. However, I believe death is very personal to the individual. You get what you expect. I believed in a faith I'd made up myself made of pure energy that linked all things and I called it the Unity. I believed it would guide me safely everywhere... I was on A LOT of chemicals and partying at the time as I was seeking direction. Direction I have now found. However when I think back on it my experience of death was what I believed at the time. It was out of body, looking down myself but everything was very contraditory. There where others there waiting for me. There was an all powerful ultimate being, but evrything was connected. I was it and it was me, but it was also everything else. Maybe not too far from the truth? I am of no belief system but think Buddist is a good way to see things. I have come to an understanding from reading an experience that my spirit guide or guardian angel set up my death experience for me to experience as I was not ready to progress to the truth.. or the next level of experience. Had I of died I would have been reborn and continued my learning here.

I read a book called Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts, who channelled this entity who use to be human but has evolved into non-physical reality. There are so many references in that book that are exactly what I have experienced on DMT it is uncanny. I would recommended it to anyone who seeks answers. I think Seth resides in what we all call hyperspace.

As it happens, I find everything here very familar. I watch others and it seems to me this place looks very bright and full of wonder to them, as I am certain it once did for me. I wonder if my two near death experences are because I want to move on but there is something I obviously haven't realised or achieved yet. I was two weeks late when born, not in any rush to come back here it seems. Though I love life, it just doesn't sparkle as much as I think it use too.

Anyway, there's my thoughts and expereince on the matter :o)

Language isn't the only thing that defines experience to the person experiencing it, and the lack of language to describe it doesn't make it otherwordly or infinite necessarily, for example I can't make a word for a foreign dish, so what, it's beyond my linguistic capability(and could be for any person), does it make it special?

Nothing... but he knows

You take Socrates (random fact: also pretty ugly) put him in the Playboy office for a bunch of years, and push him through the whole pharmacotheon, and you get RAW.



Either the last minute appeal found a traffic jam or it was the sickest prank ever performed.

Also, LOL.

A "void" to me is just a concept/word used to describe total emptiness, which to me doesn't exist. To me there's always going to be "something" however far we peer.

And if there is a irreducible framework that gives rise to all "this"...I highly doubt we have found it or will find it.

And hyperspace...who knows. Haha.

It’s highly unlikely that any after-death scenario you can imagine is correct.

Also, even if consciousness can’t ever die, that doesn’t mean one’s identity can’t cease to exist.

One final thought – you can’t die if you aren’t actually alive. Hmmm…



Having never died as far as you can recall.

^^^ I was listening to some songs by Masta Buildas, there was a part were they said that life is like a roller coaster, and all of this is just a ride.