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#1 Posted : 6/22/2012 3:12:13 PM

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I feel like after my year of use it came about and before that I was fine.
 

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#2 Posted : 6/22/2012 4:17:59 PM

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I think maybe repeated exposure to heavy come downs and mid-week depression could lead to anxiety. The actual experience its self is far from anxiety inducing IME.
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#3 Posted : 6/22/2012 4:23:23 PM

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Yes yes and yes.

Also do you use cannabis much?

I find if I use cannabis frequently I do ok, but if I use cannabis and frequently use other psychoactives, it serves as a reminder to a state that can cause anxiety.

When it comes down to it, for some people, leaving your front door can cause anxiety for one reason or another.

I'd advise a break from all things mind altering, eat well and exercise for a month, no MDMA for 6...

That's just me though.
 
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#4 Posted : 6/22/2012 4:29:08 PM

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You should probably do some reading on the pharmacology of MDMA too.

It's not a substance that is suited to frquent use.

People I know who seem to be most fond of MDMA use quite infrequently, around only 4 times a year as they still want to have the faculty to enjoy it well into their old age.
 
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#5 Posted : 6/22/2012 4:47:34 PM

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Thanks guys, I never used more than once a month and didn't use once a month for more than a year..I'm currently about to hit month 3 without it, going for 6 or more.

Soulfood I don't use cannabis much at all, maybe once a month if that.

I'm also going on over a month without any psychedelics..but I don't know if I can keep that up.
 
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#6 Posted : 6/22/2012 7:10:05 PM

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I'd suggest if you feel like you can't live without psychedelics, then you should carry on living without them until you feel like you can.

Do you have other hobbies that don't really go very well with tripping?

If not I suggest you look into finding something. I probably spent a large portion of my early 20's just tripping to the point where it loses all meaning. Sure it passed some time, but in the end I realised it was just time wasted...

Well, most of it Smile

I myself had an issue with MXE last year which did my social life no good at all. In the end I realised I was not at all compaitable with the way I was using that substance, ceased use and started exercising like crazy.

Put it this way, I never felt anxious after a good long run Smile
 
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#7 Posted : 6/22/2012 7:39:12 PM

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I'd suggest if you feel like you can't live without psychedelics, then you should carry on living without them until you feel like you can.

Do you have other hobbies that don't really go very well with tripping?

If not I suggest you look into finding something. I probably spent a large portion of my early 20's just tripping to the point where it loses all meaning. Sure it passed some time, but in the end I realised it was just time wasted...

Well, most of it Smile

I myself had an issue with MXE last year which did my social life no good at all. In the end I realised I was not at all compaitable with the way I was using that substance, ceased use and started exercising like crazy.

Put it this way, I never felt anxious after a good long run Smile


Thanks for the reply soulfood. I do feel like I can live without them, btw Razz I just am still a beginner with all of it so I have that "honeymoon" thing.

I DJ and produce music, I also like hiking.

Exercising does sound pretty appealing..!
 
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#8 Posted : 6/22/2012 8:22:14 PM

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I'm no doctor. You shouldn't take anything I say seriously.

But yesterday I found that they have been doing clinical studies with mdma to treat ptsd in veterans with great success.

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#9 Posted : 6/23/2012 2:24:10 AM

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Honestly, as much as clinical data has proven these substances to be useful enough to not fit in the scheduled categories we've filed them away too, I don't think PTSD is relevant to the average MDMA user IME.

Or should we be using electroconvulsive therapy instead, because I can legally rewire a toaster to provide that charge?... although I'm no electrician. That said though I've heard of folk with severe depression doing far more crass activities with toasters.

The trick is to only use a toaster in such a way under the supervision of a toaster expert.

This is the pitfall in recreational drug use (out of the metaphor Smile ). It's essential that you are mindful of how far things are going which is why intentions are so important, no matter what substance you are using.

This is just my experience so I'm not assuming parallels here.

When I first discover'd MDMA, I did so through a group of party people who could easily clear 1g per head in a night. Obviously under this influence I was way overshooting the sweet spot of the substance and frequently redosing as the night went on. I lost a lot of my sensitivity in doing this and no longer knew what I was looking for other than to be noticably under the influence of some effect.

Anyway I kind of had an off on relationship that went something like that for 2 years or so, then got back to classic psychedelics. What I like about these guys is they have a way of keeping most people in check. Some go a little too far before being checked, but I believe these to be minority cases. MDMA seems to lack that mechanism to the same extent. It is there somewhere, but its extremely numbed out. But when it is used in such a way, long term effects can become very noticeable - Mood, memory, concentration etc.

When I finally tried MDMA again, first of all I had my own personal scales (nice!) and secondly I had a much better idea of the potential of the substance. In this second phase of the MDMA thing I'd indulge maybe 2x a year with a close friend. Call me a sinic, but I now look back on the days of sharing the experience with less familiar folk to be nights of lies with big ideas with little dedication after the substance faded. We really were gonna fix that van, not a mechanic among us, no idea if it had an engine or indeed if anyone owned it... it was just there. Also the amount of times I met someone in the street who seemed like such a close friend nights previously and felt, well... awkward if anything... All very false I guess is what I'm saying.

Long term I was getting nothing from it and to this day I'm not in touch with a single member of any of the people from back then.

When I use the substance with a close friend however... well on one hand you have sex with strangers and on the other side there sits a lover. The loving relationship can be further reinforced by these experiences in the peak of which a bond can feel near spiritual bliss. The real journey comes in building the relationship first and all experiences you share are just steps you take on the way.


Sky Motion, I'm rambling a bit here but I guess I'm wondering how you feel your relationship with MDMA is.

How did it begin?

Where did it take you?

Where are you now?
 
 
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