5 days ago SWIM had a wonderful experience with oral DMT. It was possibly the best psychedelic experience of SWIM's life. Everything was perfect and beautiful.

SWIM likes to experiment and had another free night to try it again since SWIM had read that some people will do ceremonies a few days in a row without gaining too much tolerance.

SWIM won't go into to much detail but dosage was 220 mg harmine 100 mg spice. SWIM bumped his dose up by 20 mg from last time since he felt he could comfortably go deeper. Consumed harmine then 25 minutes later consumed spice. SWIM hadn't eaten in 6 hours so he def had an empty stomach.

Last SWIM only had light nausea but this time was different. I'm guessing about 25-30 minutes later SWIM purged no matter how hard he tried to keep it down. Purging isn't necessarily that bad of a thing to SWIM, it comes with the territory. Trying to get to the bathroom was difficult because SWIM was very disoriented at this point, barely made it. SWIM purges and is feeling the spice strong in his body, reminding himself that everything is going to be okay. After SWIM felt he was ready to lay back down he began feeling very confused and misguided. SWIM tried all his mental tactics to calm his soul but SWIM felt like the spice was doing a not so friendly dance with his mind. SWIM could feel the divine power he felt last time right on the tip of his finger but could never grab it. SWIM felt very rejected by the spice. He went to lay down in his bedroom to see if this would change the energy. SWIM felt this anxious weight on his chest that he couldn't get it off. He prayed for enlightenment because he felt as if the spice was punishing him for some unknown reason. This wasn't terribly uncomfortable for SWIM but it wasn't pleasant.

After a while SWIM finally relaxed a little with the help of music. For a short time SWIM felt slightly enlightened but nothing like the omnipotent driving force of his first pharma journey. This tranquility faded shortly into restlessness and a little more confusion. SWIM finally focuses on sleeping and finally falls asleep. SWIM wakes up the next day with a heavy LSD type hangover.

SWIM is very conflicted with oral DMT at this point. His first journey was amazing. It was perfect in every way. He felt that there is so much more to learn from these substances. After his second try SWIM doesn't know what to think.

SWIM will try oral DMT at least one more time in the future but needs info from seasoned users. Do some trips go negative like this for seasoned users every once in a while? SWIM is so confused because both attempts were like night and day. SWIM found god on his first attempt and felt rejected by god on his second. Please give SWIM some insight. He just doesn't understand how one experience was truly divine, and the other just wasn't very fun at all.

You really never know what you're gonna get. Perhaps you should try integrating your experiences more before continuing.

SWIM is still very confused about the situation. All the ingredients were the same. Maybe some self reflection. SWIM feels denied by the spirits especially considering this was SWIMS first negative trip out of all the substances SWIM has tried. So much conflict ion from these two experiences

Hello,

So this was your second time with the oral DMT?

In my opinion what may have happened is that you opened certain doors of perception if you will with your first major positive experience....So the idea is after you open a door for the first time, it may be subjectively easier to open the same door a second time using less chemicals...

So I would suggest lowering your dose a tad and I would also strongly advise adding some good old fashioned nurturing Caapi vine into the mix to provide you with added spiritual warmth and guidance in your journey....

I usually take quite a bit of caapi along with some Harmine fumerate to further potentiate

Personally I like about 50-75 grams of Caapi(Test your caapi strength first some caapi is very strong)
along with 75-100 mg of harmine fumerate and 7 grams of mimosa.
I usually save my spice for smokin', which is why I use mimosa brew for oral DMT

As far as the spirits go...they might tend to be more gracious once you have made an alliance with the Ayahusca Ally, if you would choose to partake in such an alliance that is...
..... again just a suggestion.

20mg can make all the difference. Dont expect that becasue it is only 20mg it cannot like double the intensity. A few mg's extra can push you over that threshhold if you are already on the edge of it.

your description is similar to a bad lsd-trip I had some years ago.
That was a week after a very positive trip. In both cases I was alone.

Sounds like you expected something of the substance.
The answer you got should be a teaching regarding that mindset.

Also, try to invert some of the things you say.
I like to think that you where the one who rejected the spice.

Sometimes I deliberately provoke a bad trip.
Welcoming it gives it space to fade away.

SWIM is still very new to this and is just realizing how sensitive spice can be to the body. I guess he just kinda viewed it like other psychedelics where more is usually better. Apparently this is not the case with spice. SWIM will def try caapi next time. There's so many vendors out there it's hard to choose. The vendor SWIM usually uses only has black vine right now and for some reason SWIM doesn't want to try the black vine first. SWIM will def stick to lower doses for now until he can figure all this out. Thanks for the input SWIM doesn't know anyone personally who has experience with this kind of stuff so it's good to get some feedback from experienced users. SWIM will report back on his next attempt.

try searching through the supplier subforum

There is no need to use SWIM on these forums. Nobody has ever been arrested or prosecuted because they wrote something on a forum. Using the I form is much more convenient and reads easier in my opinion.

I'd also like to add that you can also learn a lot from very negative experiences. Not all trips are going to be pleasant. You wish to explore the territory of the mind and with that comes the risk of being forced to explore the negative side of it. But much can be learned from those experiences, perhaps even more so than from the positive ones.

Safe travels.

I would also like to re-emphasize the complete and utter unpredictability of DMT. Part of what it does best is shatter expectations. Part of that is expecting an experience to go one way while it takes it on the most bizarre tangent unimaginable. On one occasion you may find yourself in an Egyptian pyramid, and on the next consecutive experience you may be in a child's bedroom....or a library...or the cosmos or a factory or wherever. It can indeed be frustrating in not being able to reliably revisit the same trips and same feelings/sensations, but in a way it probably works to our benefit or else we wouldn't have such an austere variety of experiences and where you get caught up thinking that you've found the holy grail of experiences and that surely it can't get any better than this...it can! Unfortunately sometimes you gotta go through a handful of sour ones to find the next transcendental one. The first thing you need to do in terms of preparation for working with the molecule is (ironically) noticing and dropping as many expectations as you can as possible. It'll make for less shock when DMT inevitably shatters them for you.

I guess I had it in my head that spice would be like other psychedelics where the experiences don't differentiate too much. Next time I'm going to embrace the random. But like I said it bothered me because it was the first time I've had anything close to a bad trip but after a few days of reflection I still feel I learned from this negative experience. Also what is this ayahuasca Ally thing that was talked about.

Wow GREAT post.

This is what separates DMT from the rest. The tangents and feints, "soul jukes".. lol... it's like the visuals are having a contest on which one can out do which.. the intricate designs get more and more complicated along with the body feel that is trying to out do the visuals as well... then after being twisted inside out in the most absurd and pleasurable way you are warped to your destination for that trip.... so so so random. A blank mind is like a blank canvas when going into hyperspace... DMT tries to be OVERLY perfect with each masterpiece it paints every 1/1000th of a second. Each stroke is the epitome of perfection in the most improbable way nothing can prepare you for.. and that is the true beauty that is DMT cause it mimics life in a way. You live life with expectations, but there are some days that can throw you for a complete loop, just like DMT.