Anyone else out there do this? For the last 2 weeks I've been drinking two cups of rue tea, 4 grams in each bag, almost every evening, with no DMT, just syrian rue and peppermint. I do pharma every Saturday (pharma night beats the pants off movie night), but lately I've just been drinking rue daily regardless.

For Pharma Saturdays I'll drink a 4 gram cup of rue a few hours before drinking DMT, then 6 grams a half hour before DMT, and THEN, after about three or four hours into pharma I'll drink 4 MORE grams of rue and a "booster shot" of DMT at a reduced milligram rate than what I start with. My pharma journeys have really been spectacular these last two weeks and I fully intend on continuing my daily rue intake.

I used to grind the rue and put it in capsules, but I've been having much better results with tea. And by mixing peppermint in the rue, the tea is actually quite good.

Obviously, syrian rue does not make me the least bit nauseous. I feel great on rue, so I'm fortunate in that regard considering how many people rue makes sick.

I've read reports of people micro-dosing caapi tea and whatnot, but does anyone else here love rue and take it like I do? I can't be the only one. Rue fans unite!

I really like rue, but that is a LOT of rue..8g a night??? jeez...

3g is easily more than what I need for inhibition and psychedelic effects from the rue alone.

May i ask what do you eat?

Do you eat healthy normally?

You cannot be eating bags of sweets and chocolate and KFC and chips and coke, i'm sorry i have a SUGAR addiction i binge on every other week; something i am curbing. i am not fat but am getting older and realising it is not good.
AHAA i Gym and eat healthy to just PIG out on SHIT FOOD, GUT ROT.


Have you ever had a pharma session, if so how mush RUE did you take and how much longer was the trip? It is something i want to try Next time.

How much DMT do you drink on a Pharma night* lol it is maad

I'm semi-obsessed with my health and eat normally enough (an ever slippery term is normal) . No fast food, that stuff makes me want to puke my pants. Those damn lo-carb Monster energy drinks is my worst habit. I generally don't care for sweets and I don't drink alcohol at all, having consumed a lifetimes worth in my 20's. And while I used to be a layabout with a pot garden in the basement, I've since given up the grow house in favor of peasant labor, so I'm very active and physical during the day, and have the hardened body of said peasant laborer (I didn't even notice I was getting soft around the edges sitting on my ass all day until I actually started working and getting even skinner yet stronger. I'm cultivating that lean, Jesus-on-the-cross look, he had great abs) .

4 grams rue three hours before pharma. 6 grams a half hour before pharma. 4 more grams a few hours later.

Generally, I float between 180-202 milligrams DMT for the first dose, then about 110-150 for the mid-pharma booster shot.

I take the DMT at 9:22 pm (just a ritual of mine, I guess, I always seem too drink at that time) and am generally trying to wind down at 5:00 am (occasionally I'll smoke some changa sometime during the night--I never smoke without a synergistic plant in me--but rarely. Pharma is plenty for me most of the time) .

wait..you just put the rue in a teabag as you would any other tea??

Maybe this is why you can handle 8g in a night..and 14g in a night with DMT! That method I am sure would leave much harmalas behind.

That is just a grossly gigantic dose of rue! I mean forget the nausea..the strobing lights and trails etc would be far too much for most people to be able to walk at that dose...not to mention the visions..and without any DMT at all..

Have you brewed doses like as as you would a normal ayahuasca brew and tried it to compare?

Grind it up then brew it and you'll probably need less than half that amount

I do grind it up, to powder. When I took it ground in capsules I would take 6 grams and had less effects than regular rue tea.

And yes, jamie, I just grind the rue and put it in a teabag with peppermint and brew it like normal tea. I have not tried cooking it like aya, but thanks for the suggestion, I'm definitely going to try it soon. Pharma Saturday is just around the corner . . .

*edit* wait a minute . . . just read some rue extraction teks and it seem way more work than it's worth when tea does the job just fine. I need more than the average bear, but that's been the case with me with every substance I've tried.

tea is fine. I like tea..but putting ground rue in a teabag and pouring boiling water on it is not a super effective tek. Boil the rue for at least 15-30 minutes, strain, add more water and repeat. Add some lemon or vinegar if you want, I dont. I bet it will be stronger than you expect. Just make sure to strain it well at the end..that sediment is not nice to drink.

I am sure what you are doing works with those doses..but you might be able to save a lot of rue brewing it longer.

I'll give it a shot, and keep it simple. But I have to say I really do enjoy my two rue teas a night, and rue is so cheap, so why not? Plus there's a whole host of things that rue does for the body. And as a central-nervous system stimulant it works better than coffee (which I only dink at diners with plenty of grease) . . .

From Wikipedia:

Medicinal uses

Peganum harmala is used as an analgesic and antiinflammatory agent.[10]

In Yemen it was used to treat depression,[11] and it has been established in the laboratory that harmaline, an active ingredient in Peganum harmala, is a central nervous system stimulant and a "reversible inhibitor of MAO-A (RIMA),"[12] a category of antidepressant.
Peganum harmala

Smoke from the seeds kills algae, bacteria, intestinal parasites and molds.[13] Peganum harmala has "antibacterial activity,"[14] including antibacterial activity against drug-resistant bacteria.[15]

The "root is applied to kill lice" and when burned, the seeds kill insects.[16] It also inhibits the reproduction of the Tribolium castaneum beetle.[17]

It is also used as an anthelmintic (to expel parasitic worms).[16] Reportedly the ancient Greeks used powdered Peganum harmala seeds to get rid of tapeworms and to treat recurring fevers (possibly malaria).[18]

Peganum harmala is an abortifacient,[19] and, in large quantities, it can reduce spermatogenesis and male fertility in rats.[20]

It is given in a decoction for laryngitis.[16]
Antiprotozoal
Harmine, a compound present in Peganum harmala, fluoresces under ultraviolet light

It is fairly effective against protozoa including malaria. There is evidence that it may be effective against drug-resistant protozoa.[15]

One of the compounds found in Peganum harmala, vasicine (peganine) has been found to be safe and effective against Leishmania donovani, a protozoan parasite that can cause potentially "fatal visceral leishmaniasis."[21] "Peganine hydrochloride dihydrate, besides being safe, was found to induce apoptosis in both the stages of L. donovani via loss of mitochondrial transmembrane potential."[21]

Another alkaloid harmine found in Peganum harmala, ". . .because of its appreciable efficacy in destroying intracellular parasites as well as non-hepatotoxic and non-nephrotoxic nature, harmine, in the vesicular forms, may be considered for clinical application in humans."[22]

One study showed it to have a lifesaving effect on cattle infected with the protozoal East Coast fever,[23] which can be 100% fatal and killed 1.1 million cattle in Africa in 1992.
Anticancer
Peganum harmala for sale at a market in Kazakhstan

"The beta-carboline alkaloids present in medicinal plants, such as Peganum harmala and Eurycoma longifolia, have recently drawn attention due to their antitumor activities. Further mechanistic studies indicate that beta-carboline derivatives inhibit DNA topoisomerases and interfere with DNA synthesis."[24]

Peganum harmala has antioxidant and antimutagenic properties.[25]

Peganum harmala as well as harmine exhibit cytotoxicity with regards to HL60 and K562 leukemia cell lines.[26] Ground Peganum harmala seeds have been used occasionally to treat skin cancer and subcutaneous cancers traditionally in Morocco.[27] Seed extracts also show effectiveness against various tumor cell lines both in vitro and in vivo



Interesting stuff, yes?

yeah, I don't think you could do 14 grams of rue if made properly....that is just an unreal dose...I did 8 grams a few months ago and I couldn't believe how strong it was...I definitely wouldn't ever do that much again..

Everyone's body reacts differently. Do not be so sure.

And I don't do 14 grams all at once. That would be way too much. That's over the course of an afternoon and all night. And only once a week. For my daily 8 gram rue tea I split it in two cups of tea with 4 grams of rue each.

Yeah man, I agree with you, I have a pretty high tolerance to rue/shrooms, but I think if you took it out of the tea bag and ground them up and then boiled them in a pot, I think it would hit you a lot harder. 8 grams a day is just incredible.

Um it is alright to drink the seeds in the brew right if one wants to?

And bro do you eat before - during - after a Pharma night, if you do what; like light veges and stuff fruit, chicken?

I know every one's stomach and metabolic's will process different

You can eat the seeds after the brew, but I don't.

I eat before and after a pharma night. I can eat anything and it will not adversely affect me. I guess I have an iron stomach for rue.

If you were going to eat the seeds with the brew there would be no point making the brew, you might aswell just eat the seeds.

You can brew up hundreds of grams at a time and it'll stay good in the fridge for months... Then sip whatever amount you want and heat it up if you like. Like i said you probably wont need half as much that way. I just dont see the point in wasting so much rue but to each their own