It does not even have to be DMT, it could be just an entheogen. Would taking psychedelics like that draw them to a more loving accepting person in life for themselves and others? Or would they just continue down the same path? Thanks.

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I wonder that too sometimes, I think that a good ego obliterating dose of some psychedelic might make the world a better place.

This is a good question I actually was curious about this as-well and have tested shrooms on one of my close friends who is a MS-13 member with all the tattoos and such to see what would happen (I obviously didn't tell him the reason I wanted him to try it all he knew is that it was a while since we chilled and that I had shrooms.) I gave him and myself a low dose 2.5g blue caps. Well basically he just kept saying "this is some trippy shit" and laughing, pointing out the floor tiles shifting and such. Nothing changed, hes still the same guy. It was a low dose I know, and 2.5g of shrooms compared to a hit of DMT is a huge difference.. who knows maybe it can I'll find out when I give him a dose of DMT sometime this week.

Idk you can shake off a 5-10 min experience sooner than you can shake off a 5 hour experience.
i dont think smokeable dmt is the way there.

It also depends on the kind of shrooms you do.

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give him 20 g of fresh panaeolus cyanescens. 2.5 g of cubes is a joke.

I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to shrooms I think I'm going to do a bit more research on them now... Anyway I was thinking wouldn't ayahuasca be more profound for them? Just thinking here. Never had a extremely strong shrooms trip to compare.

Can you easily talk to him about psychedelics and shamanic stuff, i found with myself that psychedelics were just fun at the beginning and over time i grew appreciation and got new associations, beliefs, it took a few scary trips though

It can take a while to see were you are, and grow a want for something else.

Keep at him though bro don't give up too easily, try some films always easy to slip messages out get high and watch a trippy film that might leave an impression or music? Some Doors songs Bob marley?

Watch the stars, a higher dose of shrooms should break him down a bit.

Chizel away at him bro, and anything benzyme says is Gold

Ayahuasca is really good, make sure you tell him that it might take a 2-3 trips before he opens on ayahuasca but once it does open it's is Amazing!!!

I found a few ayahuasca trip reports that said they didn't actually get anything out of it until like the 2 or 3 trip.

What ever you do make sure the environment is really good. The last thing you want to do is give him a bad trip. Second thing is you should really learn how to help him if he is having a bad trip. Since certain psychedelics are known to make people violent if it turns into a bad trip. This is easily preventable if you know how to deal with someone on a bad trip.

Check out from your local library books by Stanislav Grof MD. If they don't have it ask reference to get the book from another library. He should tell you how to do it. He has worked with LSD and other psychedelics for at least 16 years in practice.

We are counting on people like you to help spread the word and understanding of psychedelics if you can help him it would be a great boost for all us who are seeking the truth of reality through psychedelics.

Please be informed on how this powerful medicine.
This gives an in depth look at how to do psychedelic psychotherapy. Even if he does not want to do psychedelic psychotherapy it will help you know how to use psychedelics with yourself and others.

http://www.psychedelicps...122-journeyworkers-guide

Or

http://webcache.googleus...p;gl=us&client=opera


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i wouldn't call myself a "gangsta" or anything like that, but lets say i have been the type to exploit people, and use violence and intimidation to get what i wanted. Ive used women for sex, ive robbed people, and i've attacked people because i thought they deserved it. Some did, others did not, but i would be lying if i said i did not seek out violent conflict. Most of this was learned behavior, but thats not an excuse, only an explanation.

ayahuasca changed that. Ive actually said to friends my first drink was the first time ive ever experienced empathy. I experienced myself objectively, and did not like the person i was. I became intimately aware of the pain I've caused, and experienced it firsthand as though my crimes were committed against myself. ayahuasca dissolved the barrier between myself and other people, and I became a different person with a single drink. I still find myself drifting back to my old ways if i go more than month without the brew, so i make sure to take my medicine.

so yes, ayahuasca can turn a violent sociopath into a benevolent empathetic human. its not permanent, i compare it to bathing. you cant just do it once and be clean, it requires maintenance. when ayahuasca was brought out of the jungle to western science, they wanted to call it telepathine. I think empathine would be a more fitting name!

evil804 you just helped confirm my hunch that psychedelics like ayahuasca can really help heal people and show them how to fix there lives. I realize you still have to take it every month but I think with better use of psychedelics like ayahuasca you can get past that barrier and experience even more deep healing.

I appreciate you response to this thread. It will help contribute the the growing anecdotal evidence on the Internet that psychedelics are being used safely and are really helping people.

I use to kind of be like you too actually, and I also agree that it's a learned behaviour. I also think that what also causes it is just a lack of knowledge and understanding about what reality really is.

In case you missed it evil804, I'm sure you can also really benefit from reading some of the things, I mentioned in my last post.

Peace!

Well, my buddy once gave a gangster some LSD. A couple hours later he was pulling out a gun and waving it around a restaurant at 2 AM talking about "killing some motherfu*kers".

Some people's ego's are just so full of fear and hate that when it's threatened, it reacts with even more fear and hate.

Sometimes it takes more than an outside force to affect inner change. That's why entheogens can be useless in this context unless they are used within some type of structure/system that helps to integrate the experiences.

I know a few "gangstas" who take MDMA and LSD, and I've never noticed any significant permanent change in any of them. I've seen these guys take MDMA and LSD together and decide to go out looking for a fight, I cannot imagine being in a mindset like that on any psychedelic drug.

I'm a firm believer that psychedelics have the potential to induce certain psychological states which can offer the possibility of profound insight, that being said, it's up to the individual to take the initiative and observe themselves from these other perspectives. Simply metabolizing the drug won't do all the work for you.

I am an acquaintance of a fellow who loves DMT, and he continues to commit burglaries of vehicles and things of that nature. I am a huge proponent of an individual's right to experiment with their consciousness, but I feel like a lot of people allocate too much credit to the drugs, rather than themselves.

Reminds me of this quote, "Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change you character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it."

Those are merely catalysts. Of course, a good dose of NN or some other psychedelic will give you some perspective, but it really depends what you do with it. If someone really wants to change for the better in some way or another, those extra perspectives will be very helpful, otherwise they might just be annoying/undesirable or simply devoid of any value.

Just by smoking or eating something, that doesn't mean you're instantly going to be transformed. Hard work still needs to be put in, and it ain't always gonna be easy.

You can lead a horse to water, but even if you beat it with a psychedelic stick, some horses will never drink.

This is why I think they need to do psychedelic psychotherapy to really get in there and address the psychology part of it or they might just end up in a psychotic episode. This is known, but as they say, set and setting have the most effect on the individual. And my I add a good sitter who really knows how to help people can be the most powerful thing to prevent a psychotic break down and help them heal. This is the main reason psychedelics were banned in the first place, doctors and people did not know set and stting was so important back in the day. That was not a factor in the studies done sometimes. In the end when someone had a pscyhotic break down they basiclly gave them a traqulizer which only serves to stop the mind flow so they get suck and can't let go and move the energy to provide healing.

There a ways to deal with bad trips that the mainstream scientific community does not know about and this is really causing the problems. Psychiatrist, Stanislav Grof, M.D. knows how to deal with this and talks about it in his books.

This is interesting by Stanislav Grof, M.D.
Crisis Intervention in Situations Related to Unsupervised Use of Psychedelics
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grof2.htm

Peace!

Not for me

This guy who used to be a bully and was falling into the gang scene totally reverted his ways after being a pothead for a couple years. It was either that or the spine injury he suffered... Something gave him a wake up call though and now he's totally peaceful and down for psychedelics.

It really depends on the person.

And we shouldn't forget that there are negative entheogen experiences too, so thinking they make a more loving accepting person is true in only some cases. I think the best thing they can give to a gun shaking gangster is a new perspective to look at themselves.

I think this is a half truth. I think almost all people. Even the most violent will come out a better person on psychedelics, if they have a good sitter that they trust. Please refer to my above posts.

Peace!