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Beautiful morning everyone!
Someone in my village got his package arrived containing beautiful Chacruna leaves
lucky someone
now of course for educational purposes only, SWIM wants to know a little bit more and have a few questions below about the FASA Tek:

Infundibulum wrote:

The purely imaginary method described below does work, but it works really really slow. SWIM's FOAF was able to extract ~100mg freebase alkaloids from 10g of MHRB. This method does not discriminate between the alkaloids that are extracted (j.spice, d., d-Noxide etc etc), this is however a subject of discussion.

The tek:

1) dissolve 5g of citric acid per 100ml acetone

2) take the shredded/powdered bark and cover it with enough citric acid acetone. Incubate in a warm place, gently agitating every so often. After 2-3 hours, filter off the citric-acid saturated acetone extract and set aside (this solution should have acquired the dark reddish colour of MHRB). Repeat 2 more times.

3) saturate acetone with fumaric acid. Acetone can hold ~20mg/ml fumaric acid if let for a day or so to completely dissolve.

4) Add the fumaric acid-saturated acetone in the citric acid-saturated acetone MHRB extract. One cannot put too much.

5) Set it aside and wait for 2-3 days. One should see a yellowish precipitate on the bottom.

NOTE: In step 2 one is making an acetone extraction and at the same time converting the alkaloids their citrate salt. After addition of the fumaric acid-saturated acetone in step 4, there is an interconversion of alkaloid-citrate to alkaloid-fumarate salt, like:

dmt-citrate + fumaric acid <-> dmt-fumarate + citric acid

citric acid has a pKa of 3.13, while fumaric acid's pka is 3.43. Fumaric acid is a weaker acid and thus in the above reaction one should have most of the dmt as a citrate salt and just a tiny amount as a fumarate salt. dmt-fumarate however is totally insoluble in acetone (while dmt-citrate is perfectly soluble), and it precipitates as soon as it forms. The insolubility of dmt-fumarate acts therefore as a "sink" and given time all of the dmt-citrate will eventually convert to dmt-fumarate and precipitate out.

6) wash the precipitated fumarate salts with acetone, then take them out and let them dry.

7) dissolve the alkaloid-fumarate salts in 5ml of tap water, then and then add saturated sodium carbonate to make the solution basic. The alkaloids will be freebased and the solution will become milky. In 3 days they will precipitate out forming nice needle-like crystal in the basic solution. At this stage, one can filter the solution (nasty procedure since the crystals tend to be sticky and waxy) and retrieve any left alkaloids by dissolving them in acetone.

8 ) Let the crystals dry, wash them with acetone (it removes any traces of sodium corbonate which is totally insoluble in acetone), evaporate the acetone and enjoy the product.

For the FOAF of SWIM 30mg were for a good STRONG experience.

and the Precipition From Xylene

Infundibulum wrote:

a) first xylene pull (coloured piss yellow) goes in an appropriate container.

b) FASA was added dropwise, xylene became cloudy due to the salted alkaloids. One cannot put too much FASA.

c) solutions was left overnite at room temperature allowing for the alkaloid-fumarate to sediment. Now one got them out of the xylene without the need to evaporate it!

d) Xylene was siphoned off and washed with plenty of water. This was done because this xylene had traces of acetone and fumaric acid that one does not really want. Water washed away fumaric acid and acetone, leaving back clean xylene (plus the yellowy plant oils that dissolved into it). This xylene was used for the second pull etc etc. By this approach one knows when to stop pulling since at some point there will be no alkaloids in the xylene to be salted out. it took SWIM 7 100ml xylene pulls to exhaust 240g MHRB.

e) fumarate alkaloids were washed 3 times with some acetone to remove any residual xylene and oily impurities.

f) Then they were dried in the oven at 70 Celsius until pretty hard.

here is a few questions:
1) Will the Tec works the same way with Psychotria Viridis (Chacruna) instead of MHBR?
2) Is it better to pull from xylene or to use acetone in the first place?
what is the point of using xylene? will it pull more from the plant material?
3) if using xylene, do it needs to be ahydrous? can it be dried with epsom salt the same way as the acetone?
4) if using xylene, is citric acid needs to be added to the xylene before pulling as it needs to be with acetone to convert the alkaloids to their citrate salt (and then convert dmt-citrate + fumaric acid <-> dmt-fumarate + citric acid)? or just let the xylene to pull the freebase alkaloid, and then convert it strait to fumarate using FASA??
5) it is said that when adding FASA, one cannot add too much. how much is too much? how can one knows when to stop adding FASA?



many thanks to all the bright minds and good souls here around in this place

I'm fairly new to the nexus, so my understanding of the complete chemistry of this relatively new extraction process may not be the most entirely accurate, but I may be able to help you out with a few of said questions

1. I believe it should, however as I am quite unfamiliar with Chacruna, you may need to add a defat step like with A. Confusa

2. dmt is extremely soluble in Xylene, so I believe if xylene was available near you, I would recommend it

3. www.haskellcorp.com/uplo...Klean-Strip%20Xylene.pdf
Xylene such as this (Klean Strip) does not contain any extra impurities and evaporates cleanly, so it's technically already anhydrous I believe?

4. I don't believe so, the 2 teks you posted are 2 seperate teks; However I would like to reinforce that question by asking if lye is required for the second tek or how that's supposed to work as I am a little perturbed by the vagueness of the 2nd tek

5. I also agree, using a qualitative word for an amount in which the solution is being added to is sensative too how much, I would like to know how much and at what rate to add it to where I know if something is messed up along the way, I can eliminate the possibility of it being this step; so if anyone can help us out with the last 2 questions, that'd be awesome!

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