Which I'm completely fine with sharing some, but he doesn't know absolutely anything about it besides it being a psychedelic. Right after i told him it was a psychedelic he said not to say another word he wants to be surprised...I believe he thinks its like a low dose shroom trip or something (He said he wants to smoke it in his pool, which is pretty deep and will most likely drown with a good hit)

So basically my question is: would it be a good idea to let someone with about 0% knowledge about what it really does and how intense it really is smoke it? I'm going to be with him when he does it because I know hes going to actually smoke it in his pool (even if i tell him not too) if i just give it to him... and I'm not going to let that happen.

Anyway if i do let him smoke it if he agrees to smoke it on his bed would that still be a bad idea? I also haven't smoked DMT yet but spent a good year researching and reading up on it and I still know I am not even ready for what I'm about to go through.

I feel some red flags popping up in my head reading this...

I can appreciate where your friend is coming from in not wanting to know much about what it is but to me it sounds like he is way too irresponsible to partake in something like this.

I say don't do it, especially since you haven't even done it yourself yet.

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen imo...

This sounds like a bad idea to me. I have crazy friends like this, who when they get an idea there is no stopping them. ONE exception I have with this is dmt. I will allow non of my friends to do dumb things with dmt. I at least give them a brief educational lecture about it before they consider taking it. The risks are too great in my opinion. They must be warned of its potency. Is the surprise really worth a bunch of potential mental hurt?

I do not know your friend, but I do not think this safe. Especially when you yourself have not even tried it.

Hope all goes well!

Walter

How can you prepare your friend for something you yourself have not experienced? It's like hiring a guide to go up Mount Everest and the guide telling us, "I haven't actually gone up the mountain, but I've studied the maps!"

Sounds like a bad idea. Give your friend the link to this website and let him prepare his mind and soul for what could be the most intese experience of his life.

Cheers,
-a1pha

I agree with alpha( ), how can you be the guide? Shouldn't you try it first before offering it to your friend AS A GUIDE. But make sure your friend researches is well before trying it, AND MAKE SURE BOTH OF YOU START WITH LOW DOSES. How many times can you read on the nexus newbs taking large doses and getting shocked...

Buy your friend some water wings or he's a gonner.

haha no kidding. Yea i myself haven't done dmt i had a small amount of it and every time i would think about doing it i would wuss out because i've researched it for a year or two also and already respect it so well not even having any experience with it (plus it didnt look pure when i extracted it). My virgin advice would have to be that he needs to do his research as well and he'll know when the time is right for him.

hehe. I'm scared

Thanks for all the replies. I am going to do it first before giving out any of course, the only reason I haven't tried it yet is because I still have to extract it which I will next week. I respect it and am going to start with small amounts and work my way up. My buddy on the other hand is the kind of guy that just likes to get fucked up (claims to have ate 10g dry mush before) anyway I sent him some replies and he still says he can handle it. It kind of makes just want to give him a 50mg dose and teach him a lesson.. how bad can a bad trip get on dmt? Should I just let him have it so he can learn? I don't want him to lose his mind though just show him dmt needs respect or would that be really irresponsible?

I have heard so many people say they reckon they'll handle it fine before breaking through for the first time and boy did they learn their lesson... even those who have had a multitude of experience with psychedelics. the first thing i reckon is accepting that maybe you can't "handle" it and that you have to let it handle you. Having an attitude like this is likely going to cause him to hold onto a preconception that he doesn't even realise he is holding towards it yet.

What makes him so confident he can handle it if he doesn't even know what its going to do? Sure you can hear about people's experiences and make a rough assessment whether you think it will go down well with you, but doing it and experiencing it is an all together differen't thing. I researched DMT for ages before trying it and as soon as it entered my body i realised theres absolutely no way of knowing you can handle it before trying it. Hell.. I still fear it!

My friend has been turning his life upside down recently and becoming a much more spiritual person. He has been learning all about dmt, meditation and ancient wisdom, and after learning that I am into DMT was very keen to try it. I gave him a little bit to try and told him perhaps he should take baby steps in there, though he insisted that he could handle it because he understood he was spiritually ready after his recent learnings, and thought he knew what it was going to be all about.. but what he didn't realise was that he had subconsciously built and image of what the dmt was going to do to him based on what he'd been learning recently.

He thought it was going to be some kind of spirit world that he'd be able to navigate himself through, and alas, when the smoke entered his body he realised it didn't work that way and that he was at its mercy. He found it unpleasant to begin with though it did come around and show him the love.. but that was just a typical example of someone being so insistent that they can handle it and coming out and admitting they were wrong.

All in all while it may be tempting to teach him a lesson, I would advise against it and instead bring light to where he is going wrong with his attitude. There's no rush to try it. And I'll reassert what others have said.. if you haven't tried it yourself you certainly should not be giving it to others as you don't know what they might be getting themselves into. DMT can be extremely rewarding and also extremely forgiving, but it can also be pretty nasty at times, especially if you apply a careless attitude to the experience.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

You have no idea what you are dealing with.


Until you have tried DMT, you have NO idea of what you are dealing with...teaching someone "a lesson" is not only a terrible idea because of the potential effects on your friend, but who are you to "teach him a lesson"? Seriously???

Take some time and familiarize yourself with this substance before you even consider sharing it.

Thanks for that post bricklaya I'm going to send him that whole message I don't know why he thinks he can handle it...Hes kind of like those guys where you tell them a story and they try to one up you. That's probably where it comes from.

SnozzleBerry you're right. I'm just so sick of trying to get him to understand and him just saying "I can handle it." its annoying. I think I'm not going to let him smoke until he researches it a bit. He's going to be upset about it but hey he might thank me later when his time comes.

I think you should just let him smoke some. Use a good smoking method, make it worth the spice you put in it. And let him enjoy the magic that is DMT. I suggest you both take low doses first and work your way up together. Just make sure ur intent is for ur friend to have a good trip. You don't want to clutch any negativity in each other's minds. Be prepared for the worst, expect the best.

That actually sounds like a decent way to deal with it. Make him agree to listen for a few minutes before you share it with him. Tell him the most salient facts about it such as:

>you have virtually no say in where it will take you. Your only choices are usually in the hold on vs let go department. All else is decided by the spice.

> it can be astonishingly beautiful or mind bogglingly repulsive

> it will show you things in a way that is impossible to refute- a mathematically perfect visual language. And it will tell you things about reality that are different from what you might expect.

> you might wonder if you've died or gone insane. There is no way you can see these things and then return to a normal life, right? Fortunately you'll remember barely any of it.

I dunno if this is possible even if one has experience of DMT.Accepting whatever comes and simply observing woud be a better rule of thumb.

...And remembering to fight back the evil jesters!

I hear you and can imagine it would be very frustrating.

I also think Guyomech makes some great points and agree pretty much wholeheartedly with what he says.

I personally (and who the hell am I?) don't take issue with dosing your friend with or without him doing research...I've certainly dosed people who had done no research other than my pre-dose speech (if you could even call that "research" ) and they ha amazing and beautiful experiences. My issue was more your going about this to "teach him a lesson".

I think Vovin's quote about not being able to handle dmt, just be able to deal with it is pretty valid. That being said, I've met many people who had done significantly less research on it than I who seemed able to deal with it pretty well. The truth is, the vast majority of people who experience dmt will probably not do very thorough research.

That being said, if your friend feels he can handle or deal or w/e with dmt, why "teach him a lesson"? Why not facilitate an experience where your friend can try dmt without whatever negative vibes/energy of you wanting to punish him or "learn him" something? At some point, all of us have to take the plunge (if we want to experience dmt) and no amount of research or studying can substitute for the experiential knowledge. If you decide to dose him, be it now or after he's done the research, just try to keep your intentions in mind...all you can do is accept the experience and, imo, intentions go a long way.

Hey man, please don't take this the wrong way. DMT is SERIOUS sheet! It is not a recreational drug like pot or beer or shrooms.

I'm 43yo and I've done A LOT of stuff in my life........... and NOTHING I've ever done could prepare me for DMT!

You better seriously THINK HARD about dabbling with DMT.

It is a PERSONAL journey.

Keep your friends AWAY until you KNOW EXACTLY what you are dealing with.

HONEST!

Pan2: with all due respect, that might be just a little alarmist. If he wants to try it, he will find a way- this is a chance to do it right, avoid harm.

InfectedStyle suggests starting with a low dose (5-10mg?) and working up gradually. That's about as mellow as you can get with DMT, and would give your friend a chance to experience a warning shot before diving in deeper than he can handle. Would also be a chance for you to get a first taste without being completely bowled over.

Don't underestimate the power of a low dose experience!