DMT has given me so many complex thoughts that many have been locked away. At times I remember them and become obsessed, I must know if others have thought the same.

Today I remembered one so I'll try to explain it clearly.

Aliens, the gray ones with gray skin, big heads and big black eyes, built this universe, this reality of ours. It's like we're in a box and they're on the outside. DMT is used to signal them to come to our need. They do not descend through the skies, like so-called ufo's, instead they open a window through space itself and pull you through, abducting you. On the outside they use technology, not magic. The scene is very white and bright, like labs, hospitals and such. What is there I do not know. The aliens are not gods, but their purpose or our purpose is unknown.
Or maybe I'm superimposing human theology on the concept and they could be from another space/time dimension, or universe etc.

Words do not do DMT justice, as you all know. I wish I could show you.

All in all it's merely a collection of thoughts disturbing my natural cognition and perception. I'm aware the brain automatically fills in the blanks to make sense of impossibilities, and may at times block out traumatic memories. So my conscious self will never fully know all of what DMT presented to me.

But I would still like to know what people think of this. So leave a comment, thanks.

Sounds like you had enough DMT in your brain

Welcome BTW.

The alien(or whatever) constructed biomechanical scenery is a common theme for me. I've never seen greys though, but I'm sure they are somewhere out there, considering how many times I've read DMT experiences with greys in it.

Thanks, and I'm glad to be here.

I think one of the biggest DMT questions is "What in the hell are they doing over there?!" I still don't know, but it does really seem like they're busy as work... A few weeks ago I got my first "hostpital" DMT experience... it was really strange, Golem-like entities carrying these large bio-mechanical "Bags" that seemed like advanced medical equipment...

I think it's only natural to try and weave a "story" around these sorts of experiences, just like it is natural to weave stories about everything else. It's basically necessary for any cogent communication to occur between independent consciousnesses - even something as personal as our own pasts is relayed to us as a "story" and that is what makes i possible to repress traumatic experiences, the "story-writer" just editing over the parts too difficult to cope with.

I've never gotten a hospital-like scene. What i have had is repeated contact with some kind of organism or projection of an organism that seems to be using me in some way.

At times it feels like it (they) project themselves into our reality through us.
At stronger levels it feels like they use our nervous system and sensory mechanisms to experience our reality. It has felt at times like some kind of abduction situation.
whatever they are they are much more advanced and skilled at navigating hyperspace.
Of late I have felt no match at all to they're level of skill and honestly quite terrified at what they are and could be. all attempts at communication have yielded nothing tangible.

Because of the nature of these experiences we have to keep an open mind to many possibilities , at present I can only rely on my gut instincts and also understand that I could be wrong about all of it and simply projecting a fantasy caused by a synaptic overload resulting in a schizophrenic-like episode.

Desseminating fact from fiction is almost impossible. I find the challenge of trying to understand my mind projecting scenerios and whats actually taking place to be at the core of this whole thing.

Is it possible to understand our minds well enough eventually to determine what is a
a real potential experience or simply a complex interpretation wrought with cultural
conditioning,brain short circuiting and fantastic dreamlike projections resulting from overwhelming fear of the unknown.

That is bizarre and honestly a bit creepy... all sorts of potentials come to my mind, some of which I'm sure you've thought about. If they are using you for something, then what is their purpose in doing so? Clearly we cannot really know, but certainly we can suppose things and extrapolate based on our own experience as entities ourselves. So what could they be doing?
You mentioned that you had a sense that they were using your nervous system to experience our reality, but weren't you in their reality at a high-dose DMT experience?

However, like you said, it is always prudent when dealing with these sorts of things to never attach "truth" or "reality" in any consensual way, to any of the items presented to you while in hyperspace... as hard as that is. Never take "I could just be tripping" off the table - the moment you do then the thought process becomes suspect... that is what breeds false prophets and egomania. Just like when dealing with "losing one's mind", never take "insanity" off the table - again, the thought process becomes suspect. The moment you STOP thinking you might be crazy, there's something to worry about.

This is both a good way of keeping it at arms length (A virtue, for myself at least) and a lesson that I learned during a high-dose pharma experience - only then it was given as "Nothing is and there is no such thing as what.

Is it a "real" experience, or augmented neurochemistry with cultural conditioning and personal predisposition playing roles in the end result? Probably both. That's the REAL question though, because it leads to other important questions about how "real" any experience is... which leads to other questions about how "real" we are... on and on till finally you arrive at the crux of the biscuit - whatever that is!

Just had a thought
Felnik- maybe you are the one trying to use yourself in the ways you think they are trying to use you. Sometimes dmt is them and them is a projection of you. (I personally hate that theory!)
Maybe try to steer away from it. Change your location here and project your launch to another location there. You might lose them. Another thing was the iPhone / android tone generator creating a toneal launch to place you to another realm.

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I personally have not made it to hyperspace yet, I will when I look after my moms house next week. There I will have only cats to hear / see me trip. Nice cozy place.

I will add only a brief comment. I have had only one psychedelic trip that had to do with the grey aliens, and I fully understand now why they were a part of my trip in the first place.

I offer only for perspective and am not devaluing another viewpoint, but this was my experience. I had a trip in which as I started to break through, right at that moment of ego dissolution I had a fleeting, fast thought of a typical grey headed alien. Once I thought that, it was like my trip responded to my thoughts and I was instantly in the presence of the greys in what was probably the inside of one of their crafts. It was a very medical, sterile, and cold environment, as it is typically described by UFO abductees. This lasted for a nanosecond because the vibe I got from that place was so scary that I didn't want to experience being there with them and before I could even realize it I was pulled into an entirely different part of the trip.

After giving it some thought, I'm pretty sure what happened to me is my stray thought seemed to pull me into an experience of a typical abduction. For awhile I was really into the whole alien cover up consipracy stuff and the grey aliens would pop up all the time on forums and discussion boards. So it was lodged in my psyche in a way I didn't really realize. Then, once I empowered the archtype of 'abduction' by focusing on it, amplified by the power of a psychedelic compound, I sort of 'dreamed up' and encounter with them based upon what I knew of them.

Space Man 1000 said



Hi,

I believe aliens built the universe...but I have never seen aliens like you describe except on T.V....

Have you seen these "greys'" or was this just a thought that occurred to you?

Not saying the grey phenomena is not real just saying I have had lots of abduction type DMT trips and never experienced anything like the "Greys" or anything like what is mentioned in any sci fi-movie or book.

if the universe is a construct of 'aliens' from where did the aliens originate?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I thought I would (kind of) answer it anyway. I've never had the greys in my DMT trips, but my brother has once, and I've read a handful of Nexians' accounts of them. Some people seem to get them, and some just don't in the same ways that one person might see elves or god everytime whereas other people not only will never, but might not have any entity contact at all. It's not clear at all what the "selection mechanism" is that determines the content of the experience.

I've encountered "aliens" which delivered the impression that they've created the universe and reality. But I think these beings could be looked at as archetypes so the human animal can recognize them. How fascinating it would be if contact with these beings was the result of the direct access of neurotransmitters and electrochemicals actually responsible for the creation of your own personal reality.

Probably not.

this is how i feel. i don't think these beings/or being are confined to any particular form really. I have never had "grays" in my experiences, though i have had other entities which gave an unmistakeable creator feeling.. I think whatever this conscious force is, it can definitely express itself through an infinite array of forms, and perhaps for us humans they present themselves in a more culturally recognisable way.

the beings i have seen have never been grey they have been a whole range of colours that are constantly changing with the geometric spiralling and dimensional folding being part their form. My past trips have recently been the same being. I have told of this fella before on the forums..it has a very humanlike appearance, often some kind of headdress with a couple feathers in the middle, glowing magical garments and a bizarre shaker instrument which when used seems to run a fluid of some sort through me.

It has a male form, though it communicates to me that it is everything. It has the vibe of being some kind of mind doctor and i must pay attention to what it does without contemplation in order to receive the healing. it does not like being interrupted by thought, however it is very usually forgiving of my mistakes and imbues me with strength to learn and improve from them.

I don't see it as alien though as it feels part of me. Another interesting thing it communicated to me in my last trip was that I am an expression of certain qualities of its nature, and that I must nurture those qualities rather than fear them. I am a very sensitive person and feel at times emotionally fragile and shy. extremely sensitive to vibes and have a strong yearn for love, connection and intimacy. I have learnt to appreciate things about myself that used to make me feel like the odd one out around other people. I thank this beautiful being for its work with me and hope to continue communicating and receiving the teachings it has to offer. I salute you geometric feather-headed mind doctor!

I used DMT for the first time about 6 years ago now. In total i've probably smoked it 30 times with maybe 5-8 major(ish) break throughs. I've always heard accounts of alien 'abductions' but have never really taken them on board for I had never experienced anything of the like myself.

Last night, however, something crazy happened. The exact details are difficult for me to recollect and articulate. Mainly because so much happened in such a seemingly short period of time. And because I have no prior experiences in which i can compare or use as a point of reference.
So, in short.... I was preparing for the hit. As the moment was building i was feeling the usual mild anxieties you get before taking most psychedelics - especially DMT. While this was happening i started saying to myself "What are you worried about? - You've taken this heaps of times before - Just go with it!".. So i packed the cone, waited untill the right moment in the song i was listening to and took the hit. I put the bong back on the table and was immediately thrown into an intricate, game-like clock work of colourful mechanics which completely engulfed everything around me.
I was prepared for this -- so i opened my eyes a bit more and said - "Go!". At that exact moment i was swept away legs first as swiftly as the movement of the wind and ended up horizontal, laying face up on a white table. Simultaneously to this happening a pitch white laboratory like room enveloped from within my lounge room. I was being wheeled along by what looked like giant lego-like, E.T-like, pale creatures (greys?). I ended up in the middle of the room and was then surrounded by maybe 5 of these creatures. They were extending their hands towards me and had fingers maybe 3x the length of our own. In their fingers was a colour i'd seen twice before now on previous DMT experiences. To put it simply, it was black and white in the same colour - dark and light inside itself. One particular creature leant over me and extended its hand towards me and had fingers filled with this 'colour'. And 'he?' pressed his finger against my belly and started draining this black/white tone into me from his fingers -- as if his fingers were his lab tools.

At this point i felt overly vulnerable and very exposed - so I bailed, and pulled my self out. Immediately ending up back on my lounge chair in my lounge room. I was still intensely tripping at this point. Everything in my head was molding into one - my taste united with my sight, my smell and my thoughts and organised themselves together to form one collective sense. From there i started rapidly speaking out my experience.

In short -- (Questions welcome) -- "They are using us as a test. We are their purification process. They are refining us to make a purifed energy source. Everything in life turns back in on itself until its refined and purified. No different to scientists in a lab trying to purify a crystal. We are their purification process. And the duality expressed in our brain is our mechanism of refining - until we have a pure 'crystal' for them to use. And this is all happening - whether we like it or not. And its gonna happen. We are on the track to succeed!.. All the ingredients are now ready - now its time for the human races' final purification process - so that we can take the next step and transcend our current physical realm" ...... <-- I could elaborate more..... > > Followed was 45 mins of me being bucketed with my suppressed emotions. Which i filtered through by speaking them out loud and exercising neurological circuits through creating paradoxing affirmations in which my emotions could flow on, through my 'acupuncture' 'meridian channels' -- and I finished this with a feeling of immense spiritual progression. My own body itself is an extraction mechanism. I am refining myself until i have reached my ultimate image - just as they made us to be. We were always gonna win. So feel good -- and have as much fun as you can along the way. <<<<

This is a sketchy account. Im still majorly sleep deprived. Please dissect what ive said and lets see what we can do here. Peace people

Hey samurai87, wow man i first smoked dmt about 6 or so years ago, as well i have smoked dmt about 30 times; twice total breakthroughs. I am also in ozzy.
I think belief has a lot to do with the journey, and what the Mind is Set on.

If i was being dragged away by alien creatures i too would put the breaks on.

I have once made contact and received information from an entity which communicated that it 'the DMT' was a form of gods power, consciousness, embedded in the life forms on Earth for man in his quest of life.

Greys are not alien, they are human from another dimention of earth where they destroyed the planet and had to geteticly modify their DNA to be able to adapt to a new planet they migrated to. They then realized that they F***ED up and can no longer reproduce. The closest realitives they have exist in another dimention (ours) so they rip open the fabrics of space and time to travel to our dimention where they abduct ppl for expermintation to try and fix their issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aZW24eGuKM this is Bashar, the entity channeled by daryll anka. he is for sure genuine and have learned a great deal of the mechanics of the universe in the 50+hours of recordings I've listened to.

I can't tell if you're joking or serious.

Dude's about as genuine as his on-again off-again scottish accent.

Well Ive had multiple encounters on all of the tryptamine substances, somehow I think they are using technology to familliarize human beings with the experience of meeting an alien.

Seems like the older, more familiar aliens that shaman have been dealing with are constructed with something similar to tue graphics on an atari game console, while the 'new kids on the block' are as polished and shiny as the newest game console played in hd at 1080p.

Somehow human beings have been chosen to lend a hand in the creation of this technology, and I think our thoughts, and even our language, is alien in nature, and if programming technology uses its own language, then maybe there has beenp an alien right under our noses this whole time.

I mean has anyone noticed the cultural experience is becoming more and more psychedelic?

Touch screen phones, 3d tv, surround sound, navigation systems, vehicles with on board assistance from ai, its all becoming more and more mentally oriented, there are things out there. Has been for a long time. We're close now, very close.
Roswell happened and boom, computers and technology exploded into the world right as the dialogue changed to extra terrestrial inhabiting.

Something big is about to go down. And somehow i think the video game 'halo' and its plot line have alot to do with our lives here on earth.

Just think about the halo storyline for a bit and you'll begin to see the psychedelic implications

Hmmm. I really needed to hear that. Thank you. Obviously i will have to do my own digging from here. But do you know at all from where and how has this guy sourced his information?