I have no solid evidence to back this theory up. I heard from someone several years ago about dmt but I never took regards to it till I tried it. I've only tried it once but I've been researching it for the past 3 days. I felt replenished after my trip, and since dmt is released in rem sleep, I was wondering if it has the physical effects of rem sleep. Particulary in post workout recovery use. Any input on this?

Hello and welcome to Nexus!

How is the dmt to be taken? Aya or vape? In small doses or normal?

I personally don't know about this theory, But let's document it with some of our own tests!

Others will be here to help. Plus just so there's know, you posted here because you are a new member or you would have posted in the health n safety posting.

So you are asking if DMT physically relieves you during the trip?

I am not so sure of this, I am usually pretty shaky and stuff after a trip, even though I am mentally relieved a ton.

The only thing I could think of is that it relaxes you because it is not a very physically stimulating trip.

But whether this is any BENEFIT would have to be seen.

Hope we can further this theory and see if it works!

Not trying to crap on your theory here, but this may be of interest to you-

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&m=85866

I agree that the after affects of a dmt trip can leave you feeling "replenished", and the reasons behind this are an interesting area to speculate upon, be they psychological or physiological, or both (my bet). I think it has more to do with psychological stress, and release of feelings that may leave you drained, or caught up. A dmt trip (or any psychedelic experience) for me imho, has a way of shuffling around what is affecting you at the time. Be it feelings, beliefs, ideas, stressors, etc.

It has a way of restoring balance in some ways, not that it can't do the opposite, but having "imbalances" in your mind leveled out so to say is a refreshing and nourishing feeling. It makes sense to me with people always talking about it imparting a deeper understanding, or whatnot on their perspective. Imbalances of all kinds serve to distort the greater perspective.

I just don't think it has anything to do with rem sleep, but thats just my 2c on the matter.

Sleep (dreaming especially imho) does do some shuffling around of internal psychological workings though, so i do think there are comparisons to be made, i do however agree that they are very different experiences (deep sleep/dreams, and dmt trips).

Someone posted a link awhile ago with information stating an increase in growth hormone levels from dmt. I'm on my phone or I'd search for it my self. But if correct yes dmt would aid in workout recovery.

Thanks ewok. I think I read that somewhere too, but then again I've read alot of contradicting information on dmt and I can never seem to find a good source for the information because the only scientific data I can find is strassmans research.

Thank you as well day tripper, I read the forum link and it helped a bit. what is released during rem sleep that is supposed to aid in muscle recovery and mental focus and clarity? I've heard before that rem sleep was the most important type of sleep, and that if you didn't sleep long enough you wouldn't get the chance to reach rems, and would be extremely poorly rested due to this, so I was thinking that if dmt really is released during rem sleep, then maybe it reacts with something else, to release a hormone that fuels faster repair of all bodily functions. And maybe a simulation of rem sleep, although only for 10 minutes, could give the body a kickstart into muscular recovery.

I have the feeling it would have a slight benefit regardless of any role it may have on sleep by restoring a chemical balance, I just want to know the extent of the benefits and maybe any setbacks it could cause.

Thanks for all the input, I didn't think anyone on here would be that interested in such things.

And to electric koolaid, I would personally be smoking it, though I would think maybe an intramuscular dose would work the best, at least for recovery purposes, but I'm not about to start sticking myself every day.

Hopefully I can post in the health section soon, I'd really like to learn as much about dmt as possible, Something so amazing shouldn't remain so unknown.

Cool. Well pretty much the only place I can do full launches will be in the vehicle after my workout. So I will let you know if I feel any different.
Imagine, pump heavy weights, then blast off and by the time you come back you will have fully recovered. Then back to the weights! A miricle!!

That would be incredible. Lol. With results like that I'd think someone would have already caught on by now though.
Definitely record your strength gains and muscle gains, see if anything happens to be above the norm for the intensity of work out you're doing. Especially above the norm for you. I'm gonna do the same thing as soon as I can get my hands on some mimosa.

I don't think its a matter of whether dmt is released during rem sleep, and whether that would be beneficial. If I am not mistaken during rem your brain emits other chemicals (correct me if I am wrong) that put you in a coma-like state. It freezes your body so you do not physically act out your dream. I think this is the key to how rem sleep helps, it makes your body go completely relaxed. Making room for the healing process to do its work with no interference.

So my concern is that dmt alone will not do this. During trips I know that you can move around, and it is more of a psychological effect when you do not. Your brain is to within itself to concentrate on the physical. I am still a noob at dmt, but during one of my most intense trips, I kept flexing my muscles and so forth. Not meaning too, but the entity I had encountered was taking me apart and putting me back together. So I think it would vary on the trip then. If you have a trip that completely physically relaxed you then I think it would be beneficial. But I do not think that you could have a 100% chance of doing this.

I am not completely sure if I am right on any of this! Just my thoughts so far. Because this does interest me a bit. Correct me if I am wrong on anything!

Walter

is that like a miracle that is also an icicle?
because if so that is pretty badass

Totally!!
Mmmm miricles

I believe you're right Walter, some have said that even a bad trip will have positive psychological effects if you manage to handle it correctly, but it wouldn't be the most physically relaxing experience, though when one has nightmares, isn't muscle tension also the case? And would dmt possibly aid in triggering the release of the chemicals that are so beneficial in the deep sleep cycle?

I am fairly new to DMT as well, but this thread is so intriguing I had to throw my 2 cents in. It seems to me that a DMT trip after a workout couldn't hurt in the slightest, and may help in indirect ways. I become amazingly peaceful after a trip, physically and mentally. Whether DMT has physical benefits to muscle recovery, I do not know, but it could be that the massive relaxation after both experiences will kickstart some form of recovery. If no extra recovery can be found, on a simpler level endorphins from working out and the after-trip feeling would pair so well together.

Total natural body high on epic levels. A pure feeling like that can't not bring some form of positive energy, right? Not to mention being in a more powerful and positive mental state always seems to increase body function across the board. Good health, Gents!

DMT after a workout? I'd do it. Don't let it take the place of things in your diet and what not, but a little 'treat' after exercise sounds pleasant to me.

I definitely wouldn't let it take the place of my diet, I was thinking of a jog, followed by a few sets of pushups, followed directly by hanging leg raises. Make it a good 45 minute workout focused mostly on cardio and endurance. check your heart rate, wait till It's almost to normal and take your hit of DMT, enjoy it and then cook a nice meal with your newly enlightened attitude while you drink your protein shake or whatnot.

Then a few days later I'd be doing a nice heavy workout, hitting the 4-6 rep max on my exercises, and following the same procedure.

I think that if this were the case, then a DMT trip would basically be going to sleep. In a forced sense. It would just really be a dream, because it was identical. I could be wrong, but I do not that that this would be the case.

But during some very vivid dreams before, or rem. I will tense my legs so much that I wake from cramps in them. Though I have not experienced this on dmt, I could say the same could be possible. If you were having a bad trip.

Heart rate would be definitely something to look at, if your heart is going fast already. I do not think it would be very wise to speed it up more. I think if anyone is going to try this, a light work out at first would be safe. Wait until you feel like you are physically back to "normal" and then blast off. I think it would be unwise, mentally, and physically to blast off right after any kind of work out. And I mean right after, like work out and then smoke some dmt. If people are serious about doing this, just work your way up on the intensity scale of your workout.

I think that this could be a great thing though, as someone mentioned, due to the endorphin released in your brain after you work out. A dmt trip in the sort of "after glow" of working out sounds great. But it could just put you into a very unconscious state, dude to being tired physically. I notice in dmt trips that I have had, I could feel my body. Because it was not tired. But if it was, I think it could change the experience. Maybe make you more open to the visions.

Well I feel like I talked your guys' ear off, but hopefully this is of some interest. I would like to pursue the idea myself. But I am in no place to make an extraction right now. So if anyone does experiment with this idea, I would like to hear about it!

Walter

Hey walter. I agree that it would be extremely wise to ease into this experimentation cautiously, as with any experimentation with DMT. I definitely plan to make sure my heart rate is normal again, because that's one of the things that seemed it may have actual physical health risks. Other than that, are there any other physical risks anyone can think of?

It would definitely make me feel bad if someone developed any sort of serious issues because I suggested that working out and DMT may have extra recovery benefits.

And the only reason I was interested so much is because I really like DMT, and blasting off on a daily basis after a workout seems like it would be a wonderful way of rewarding myself, and I can't ever recall a time that I was in a bad mood after a workout, at least not if I was allowed to finish my workout.

I think going to another universe while still satisfied with your achievements at the gym would help keep the trip positive most of the time. and that endorphin rush would be pretty sweet too.

Anyone ever experience appetite loss after a hit of DMT? That would be a serious downfall for me, but it would aid those with weight loss goals a bit. I remember I didn't eat much the day I blasted off, but some days I'm just not very hungry. Not sure if it had anything to do with DMT or not.

^ the only other possible danger would be getting cramps during a trip. I am not sure this would happen. But if you just worked out, calmed down. And are having sore muscles. If the trip makes you start flexing this could send you into a world of pain.

Not sure this would happen at all, but just something to keep in mind!

I do quite intense cardiovascular training at least 6 times a week. Although I have not experience that DMT will <i>aid</i> recovery, it certainly doesn't hurt me. This is very different from mushrooms, which seem to take a toll on my fitness. I do sleep a lot tighter than usual after a DMT trip. Mind you, I've not had a lot of experience with DMT. Personally however I would not use DMT directly after a workout. Not only because I am physically tired, but because I am mentally tired.. Right after training you don't notice it (perhaps because of the endorphins), but try doing something that requires a lot of thinking and you find yourself impaired, while I like to be as sharp as possible before a trip. This is of course subjective and also dependent on the workout. Cardio is more mentally tiring than lifting weights for me.

I think the mental and physical exhaustion might aid in your trip. The level of endorphins could aid in the processing of the information, even if you couldn't understand it all, due to your mental exhaustion.
Maybe the mental exhaustion you feel after the endorphin rush fades is the blood sugar drop? I hadn't accounted for that, and I usually feel replenished if I eat a good carb saturated meal after a workout, and eat fruit throughout the workout, I usually feel pretty sharp, just relaxed. Of course I'm more of a weight lifter. I haven't had much experience with routines that focus only on cardio.