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#1 Posted : 6/6/2012 12:25:52 AM

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Long story short I was in the middle of a BLAB with 112g MHRB. I was at the stage where the water/lye/MHRB/vinegar was completely pulverised and looked like a "basic soup" just an extremely dark red. More like black, but hints of purple/red.

I completed several d-limonene pulls which were deposited into a 1000ml separatory funnel. A number of factors resulted in ~10 months of this lab situation just sitting around. I was having big time difficulties finding a tall thin container to do limonene pulls from (for ~3L of liquid not including limonene), that combined with other responsibilities just put this extraction on the back-burner.

I know this was colossally stupid (especially not to put it in a cupboard, possible legal consequences, etc.) but College just took essentially all my free time and suddenly 10 months passed and I realized I just left the jars out in the open. Didn't really think about it because the room wasn't getting sunlight, but artificial light is also bad right? ...

Clear glass containers. Not really in a dark place. The room doesn't get much sunlight, but I turn lights on it at least every day and occasionally open the window etc.

I'm just wondering how significant the effects of oxygen/light on these mixtures should be.

I plan on obviously figuring this out first hand by completing the extraction, but I'm just curious if anyone has first hand or projected outcomes to share?

P.S. Because I can't find a tall/thin container large enough to hold all the liquid (pulling with a turkey baster in a wide jug is a huge pain) I've split the basic soup between two containers, but the powderised MHRB was left behind. This shouldn't really affect yield should it? the liquid part of the soup probably has all the spice by now?
 

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#2 Posted : 6/6/2012 12:39:36 AM

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Some DMT might have oxidized but n-oxide dissolves in limonene and anyways is active, just more oily. I dont think there will have been any major damaging reaction to any of the alkaloids. Keep extracting, salt out, see what you have. How are you planning to salt out?
 
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#3 Posted : 6/6/2012 12:46:57 AM

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Fumaric Acid Water/IPA, I think I'm going to turn half/three-quarters the crystals into freebase and keep the rest as fumarates for oral ingestion.

I think I've decided on the IPA route, but I'm normally an evapper. Doing a freeze precip does seem interesting/efficient however.
 
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#4 Posted : 6/6/2012 12:51:21 AM

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you dont freeze precip with IPA, just add FASI and wait a couple of weeks for all to precipitate, at room temperature.

I would do at least one small sodium carb wash to the limo , and after decanting away the wash water, letting the limo stand for a couple of hours so that any water droplet goes to the bottom and decant again, and then do FASI.
 
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#5 Posted : 6/8/2012 3:47:55 AM

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So those photos are massive and load pretty slowly .. woops. I photoshopped them down to 10MB, but that wasn't enough .. are there image size suggestions anywhere on the Nexus .. I looked but couldn't find.

On the topic of my extraction. I've been adding 5-10ml FASI every several hours for the past 3 days. I'm getting very close to the top of my mason jar. It isn't getting cloudy in the same way anymore. It's almost just a sort of transparent aqueous cloud that disappears almost immediately. Previously it was cloudy like milk or something. Definitely closer to opaque than the "clouds" which now form.

Any thoughts? I feel like maybe precipitation has stopped after three days, but endlessness you suggested a couple weeks?
 
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#6 Posted : 6/8/2012 10:21:17 AM

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If its not cloudying anymore, now just let it stand for a couple of weeks without touching it for the alkaloids to crystallize properly
 
 
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