Instantly I embraced the taste , the experience, one hit, then two, then fuck it (getting scared at this point) GO FOR IT!

As you finish that last hit... its almost magic... it has something to do with commitment ... something about NOT HOLDING BACK. Trust the substance and the spirit will reveal itself to you.

Instantly once the "spirit molecule" (which i believe is alive) recognizes that you are committed to finish every last bit you could do. Suddenly everything becomes a hummmmmm and then BOOM!

Its almost like your smoking apparatus becomes a sort of "high def holy grail" .... the trees around me transform into way better shinier trees, the moon grew 20 x as large, the grass i'm sitting on becomes pix-elated.

Every second im thrown into another "version" of my surroundings... Each one more far out and futuristic then the last. There is a sort of HUM . Hum. HUM. as each new reality subtlety morphs into higher and higher dimensions.

I'm talking my street was different, the houses, cars I didn't recognize (they didn't have wheels?) Upgraded reality , ever shifting, so astonishing and clean.

After maybe 3-5 mins of this. . I worry "maybe these cars of the future without wheels are actually cop cars and i'm just tripping"

"I should be careful" I think, and attempt to pull out a cigarette. Then the experience fads away and I feel dreadful that I ruined it when I knew better!!!

In that perfect state of shiny , dimension shifting... you realize that your petty human life, with your "HUGE" issues and day to day struggles don't really mean shit. You just need to let go and trust the plan DMT / (God?) has for each of us.

So blissful and so humbling and beautiful.

I agree.

BTW I consider DMT to be more than God, because at least I know it's there for sure with it's incredible powers .

It was as if it was trying to hypnotize me ... with changes to my immediate enviroment ... getting exponentially better as each phase/shift - pitched up an octave- ; morphing into ever expanding arrangements which were pleasing to the eye.

I could feel the DMT spirit tuning into my consciousness, and adapting the surroundings to the most PLEASURABLE stylistic patterns , simply to blow my mind and make me worship it and let go.

Cool stuff, sounds like what things look like on lucy or mushrooms

Can definitely relate to getting the feeling that stuff you think matters, doesn't. Including your life

Tele said:



Personally I see DMT as evidence that there is a God but I don't see how one could think of DMT as greater than God...

Even if you have never seen God per say...it is reasonable to assume something out there created DMT...and if something is powerful enough to create DMT then that something has to be God, IMHO.

I don't see DMT creating the universe, I just see it as as another creation.

I used to believe in god but now not so much....
God is very complicated matter which can be interpreted in many ways and there is no evidence to one way or another of its/his/her existence, therefore I take agnostic view on that matter. To be honest the only god I have ever seen was the god within shown to me through DMT. I don't believe in external omnipresent creator deity much(even when I don't claim it's not there), but so far based on my experience(s) I believe the only place to find it is within ourselves, and because of DMT showing me that, I believe it to be much more than some external creator god(who might not exist). So to me DMT will be greater than god, at least for now.
So this is meaning I don't really believe much in God who creates DMT and the universe etc. like you said.




I find this interesting, how come do you think like this?


Only evidence DMT gives me that there is parallel reality or hyperspace with infinite amounts of consciousness in it. And the only god it has shown me is the god within which is actually nothing less than the ultimate consciousness(something like you can find in members DMTtripn2space topic)

[quote=Eliyahu]

Personally I see DMT as evidence that there is a God

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Really? How is it evidence?

ewok said..


Why is DMT evidence of the existence of a creator??

I strongly believe that ALL psychedelic plants are truly just biologically engineered chemical delivery mechanisms, that have been created by an advanced (type 3) alien civilization that is perhaps trillions of years old.......

For the record I DO NOT believe God is some old bearded man who sits up in a cloud all day. Based on my experiences with DMT I happen to believe "God" or "The Creator" is in reality the single MOST ancient and technologically advanced being that exists anywhere inside or outside of the Multi-verse...

I believe this being is the starting point and source of all creation. Sort of like how the sun creates light, simply by radiating it.

According to the original Hebrew version of Genesis, God did not Create the heaven and the earth directly. Actually it says that the "Elohim" created the Earth and the Heavens. Elohim is actually a plural Hebrew word meaning Gods' and refers to the Angels. Based on this I believe the Creator created the Angels and then the Angels created the Earth in their image.

In high tech terms...I believe this "Super Advanced Being"(God) gave birth to a super advanced civilization.(Angels) Who In turn created us because it fulfilled a desire that the omnipotent creator being had for us(humans) to exist.

As a fully functioning carbon based flesh and blood awareness containers, organic beings represent the absolute highest pinnacle of chemical, genetic and biological engineering technology in the universe. Our existence is a big deal to beings that are inorganic and are NOT carbon based.

Although human beings are tragically flawed in many ways we are in fact a flawless creation. IMHO

From what I have learned on psychedelics the Creator conceals himself from those who do not actively seek him out..What is this like? here is a home made parable for you. It goes like this:

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There was was once great powerful, gentle, kind and loving King. This King loved his people especially the ,poorer, lesser fortunate and hard working members of his kingdom. This King was also a great philosopher and was very wise so he had written many books for his people to read so that they may learn the ways of the King's wisdom if they so desired.

The King greatly wanted to meet everyone of his subjects individually so that he could give each each one of his people proper audience as well as a fitting gift. He also wanted to communicate with his people one at a time so he could know their hearts desires.
The King also wanted to be their guide and their council in times of trouble. He wanted to help everyone of his beloved people one by one by understanding them.

The problem that it was a great time of war in the Kingdom and the King had therefore many enemies. Because of this the King could NOT leave his palace doors open freely to the people of his kingdom as he would have done in times of peace.. for along with wartime comes the fear that someone with evil intentions could enter the palace and do some type of harm.

The kings' solution to this problem was to have the royal architects construct a large and very complex labyrinth in front of the palace entrance. This clever maze was designed in such a way that only those who were familiar with the Kings philosophy books and knew of his wisdom would be allowed to make it through to the palace door in order to visit the King. This meant that if you were not familiar with the Kings philosophy books then the maze would just lead you on a giant goose chase and then spit you back out without ever allowing you near the Palace entrance.

This way only those who knew of the kings ways would be able to seek him out and no other.


-Sorry for the long post, hope it wasn't too painful to read.

Eliyahu, aren't you just invoking the existence of a higher being to explain the creation of the "angels" that created all of this, and the beings that are guiding our evolution?

I don't necessary disagree with your logic, but i disagree that god is the word to use to describe the higher being. IMHO, god is the complex system that is our universe, a part of the greater infinite multiverse, spawned out of the "big bang" created by condensation of matter in another higher universe, leading to a black hole ripping the fabric of that universe to percolate down to a lower state, creating our universe. Things began to organize after that, then systems and complexity forms, condensation of matter being the final step, another black hole, and on and on.

To summarize, the only god i think exists is the driving force of novelty in the multiverse leading to ever complexifying of the larger system at hand. To invoke a "supreme being", or super-advanced being who created the angels seems to avoid the question of how it came into existence.

The multiverse theory, while not actually answering the ultimate question of what spawned the first ancient universe that created the lower universes, goes farther at explaining things than any other theory I've been exposed to. At a point, its either remain skeptical and admit you don't know, or invoke the existence of a higher being to explain it all. Really that can be the same thing though, its just semantics that separates them imho.

For clarification, the Age of the Universe is currently believed to be 13.7 billion years old, +/- 0.2 (source).

I understand you have some pretty wild theories, Eliyahu, but lets try to keep the discussion in the realm of science where possible. If not, then maybe you could explain the reasoning for using trilion instead of billion. We do not like to spread falsehoods here at the DMT-Nexus.

a1pha:

For the record I said PERHAPS

but your number sounds fine I suppose, I am not commited to the trillions thing..and I have no information to support the trillions thing...it was a wild guess. Sorry A1pha.

But the thing that made me guess trillion was...

sure the current age of the universe is 13.7 billion but what is the current age of the Multi-verse???

I read that -- but billion is far enough from trillion (in regards to age) to make a significant difference.


Before answering this, maybe you can define multiverse? After 10+ years of hearing/reading this term I still have no idea what it means...

I am not a fan of the word "God" either, it is just a similitude. I do however think the phrase "creator" is about as accurate as human language can come to describing what it is.

I also happen to believe that questions like how did God come into existence cannot be answered by humans...I believe there are certain things that lie out of the possibilities of human conception and that is one.

.In my opinion there is both the unknown and the the unknowable. Questions like where is God? who made God? are not solvable and a human trying to figure it out would be comparable to an ant trying to comprehend quantum physics.

@Eliyahu

Still didn't say how its evidence of god, wasn't asking what your interpretation of god is. I just don't see how one can say dmt is evidence of god.

A1pha:

That guy from the science channel,
Michio Kaku describes the multi-verse as a perpetual genesis existing in a sea of nirvana.

I personally think of it as similar to a grape-vine and every universe is a grape on the vine.
I have also heard it described as bubbles in a champagne glass.

You might check these out if you have time...If you have not already seen them.

Michio Kaku on the Multiverse

Michio Kaku on Advanced civilizations

Once again my apologies for stating something so outrageous as trillions without further explanation....this old Deadhead is still getting used to backing up my crazy claims with scientific data and such...I'm working on it...

ewok:

I guess evidence is the wrong word to use...maybe clue is a more accurate term..

So allow me to correct myself:
DMT is not evidence or proof of the existence of a GOD it is more of a clue that God Exists.

So let me ask you.
If you were God, would you want your existence to be proven without a doubt? and if so, why?

I wouldn't want people to follow me blindly or twist my exsistence to cause wars and other atrocitys, so I would wanna leave no doubt of my exsistence or my core values.

I don't believe in a god tho.

Ewok:

I understand that you don't believe in a God, but remember this is just a hypothetical scenario.


So if you were the hypothetical God named Ewok you:



So in the hypothetical universe created by the deity known as Ewok, don't you think free will would be affected in a negative way if there was no doubt of your power and existence?

If people knew the mighty Ewok existed and knew the God Ewok's core values then what other choice would they have but to follow Ewok without question?

It seems like at that point most of Ewok's followers would be following out of fear instead of devotion...

People already follow a non-exsistant god out of fear.

Why would it be out of fear if a god showed its self? Would it not be from love and devotion at seeing the true beauty of such a god.

Ewoke said:


The thing is those people you are talking about cannot see him, they are just following what other people say about God and "hell" and they are scared of that.

The other thing is God's reputation is not only as beautiful and loving but he is also known to be quite wrathful towards those who would call themselves his enemy.

I believe that even if everyone were aware of God there would still be some that would be against him, and most likely those people would end up being afraid of him eventually anyways, because there would be no escaping God's Judgment.

For example the Angels knew of God's beauty but it still did not keep many of them from turning against their maker.

And What about developmental interference?....

If I was the parent of a Child I would want my child to learn to figure things out on his/her own. If God's existence and all the rules of the universe were revealed to us all at birth then where would the learning be? How could we learn anything on our own if all the secrets were just revealed for us right off the bat?


Ewok: it's cool if your not into this kind of debate, no big deal if you want to just agree to disagree with me, I just happen to think it's healthy to discuss such things, I'm not trying to preach to you from my DMT pulpit or anything.

Thanks.