What he said

My hero!!!

Well I would have to disagree to some degree with you. Ayn Rand relies to much on the rational world for her philosophy, and this I will admit. She seems to think that man can permanently separate himself from spiritual hunger in order for complete purpose. This is not true. But to defend her, and I don't really feel like going to deep right now, I think that she has some value to what she says. Ideally, just like communism, I think that Objectivism could work in forming a form of perfect happiness. But not every man is the perfect man.

I don't look to her for hot sex tips. But I feel that her approach to sexuality can be beneficial. It is an approach of complete enjoyment to say, a means to an end. And that end is bonding pleasure. So this might be difficult to see, because in her books. The characters never really seem to enjoy their sexual endeavor. Well this to me shows that it is a primal need, and it is enjoyable because as a primal creature we need primal enjoyment.

I don't wish to reject you saying that she is a Nazi Bitch, because I know she is. But she has some value in her philosophy that cannot be denied.

The nazis did get us to the moon lol

I think abstaining from pre marital sex is really weird and something off is going on in the minds of the people who choose to do this. Religions have imparted all kinds of bunk dogma onto people and this is just a perfect example of that. Sex is normal. Not having sex or denying yourself that right makes people weird and sort of irrational IMO. It is not normal.

I feel the same way about abstaining in general for spiritual/religious reasons though. I think you end up a weirdo if you never ever make love. The penis and vagina are there for a reason..one fits onto the other like a hand in a glove. It is perfect. Why would anyone want to deny such luxuries of this life? This is creation, they dont link creation to the "big bang" for no reason.

It's the same as when you're married, what changes really? My sex life is kind of pathetic but I'm definitely not opposed to per-marital sex, what if I don't even want to get married?

Sex is a non-issue imo. How it ever got inflated to carry the stigma it does in our era I'll never understand. It's a joy that should be expressed; as long as the expression comes from a place of mutual respect, understanding, and passion. It connects us in ways that few other things can, if we allow it to be more than just a physical, robotic sort of act.

And, also, it's one of those things that's just about impossible to avoid in life, so why feel bad about it? It's like feeling bad about your desire to eat or go to the bathroom; these are natural functions of the human body.

that's hilarious thanks just heard the drums go broomp broomp tish

I'm living in a country where pre-marital sex is the general consensus and a lot of woman save money for 20 years to have their big day with their husbands, virgins the whole time, a lot of men aren't. A lot of women get married have children and go from childlike woman to mother role pretty quick with nothing inbetween, most are happy but obviously a lot of people take longer to mature as adults which creates a strange childlike society of sexual suppresion. It doesn't seem normal to me waiting many years to have sex but it's normal to a lot of people, Its probably half their problem but they are some of the nicest people I've ever met, not sickingly nice like some Americans from the south but then a lot of americans from that area are into being virgins, maybe being sexually suppressed equates to being nice

What.... do you mean with someone else ?

Sex? Well I guess that is the only way to do it

Palmela Handerson disagrees

So masturbation?

Hey Walter:

Please don't take this the wrong way. But you seem like you're trapped between worlds. Part of you is here at the Nexus exploring freedom of consciousness, while part of you (correct me if I'm wrong) is still living with your parents. And getting drug tested by them, right? So they are trying to closely guide your behavior. Long as you live there, that's their privilege.

Have others (such as your parents) convinced you that premarital sex is problematic? Or is this a genuine question from the heart?

My question is simple: how could it possibly be bad? It's about exploration. Humans live to explore, it's natural. And when we refrain from doing what comes naturally, we have issues (spiritually abstinent priests tend to get in trouble for touching little kids). Obviously having a healthy sex life is part of being a healthy person.

And yeah, once you get married, it's just a countdown back to something that closely resembles abstinence... So get it while the gettin's good.

And if you are still worried about it being somehow wrong, just make sure that you and your partner(s) respect each other, that you aren't going out shtupping just to compensate for something missing in your life. That's an unhealthy behavior too. But sexually bonding with a partner whom you care about (even a little bit) is an amazing experience that shouldn't be missed.

christ man if your parents are drug testing you why dont you get the hell out? That really is not their business IMO if you are over 18 years of age. I can understand them having rule but I dont think they have the right to drug test you. Maybe they do because it is their home but that is just neurotic. That is just crazy and it is weird and not normal to live in that kind of a situation I would think. I would get out of there and go live your life.

I think sex is just the greatest thing..

Children are sopposed to evolve past their parents.

Definitely- your generation should be leaving their generation's hangups in the past where they belong.

My posts in this thread have been entirely (and poorly) comedic for a reason: I think the question is absurd.

I don't see you sharing any info...or even impetus for the question...it struck me as a goofy abstraction in the manner it was presented. I found Guy's response very illuminating as it presented a lot about you that may (or may not) be relevant to the topic at hand, assuming you are asking about yourself.

There is no inherent morality...do what feels right to you. If sex intrigues you...explore! If drugs intrigue you...explore! If living under your parents roof and dealing with their encroachments on your privacy and cognitive liberty bother you...get out and explore!

Sex is intrinsic to life...marriage is a human construct.

Although a highly effective one. You can go on for years with a miserably empty life, as long as you've got a full dance card and allow no downtime for self-reflection.

It's awesome!!

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Mine as well. I'm just goofing on you as I find the whole topic to be patently goofy (especially considering the nature of the forum in which you've chosen to pose the question).

In any case, youngster, sex rocks. Get the hell out of your parents' house and go getcha some!

only kind I'll ever have.

I like it

Yes, I will be honest and a lot of what you have said is completely true!

I think my main reason for asking this question is because my parents have "brainwashed" me into thinking that pre-marital sex is bad. Under the condition for your emotional health. This I do not agree with, but I wanted to see what the people on the Nexus thought. But I also have to say that it really is a question that bothers me at times. Given the background my parents have set, and me being a somewhat individual mind apart from my parents morals. I find that I see no problem in sex at all, but I have a sort of block that stops me at times. Of course I think this is a purely individual problem that I must get over myself. And I, in no way, mean to burden you guys with my personal life.

In regards to everyone saying that their posts were comical, I think I can agree with you and say that this question is comical. Because I can see completely that it should not be wrong at all, sex being a very primal function. But I want to thank you guys for your input non the less.

But no offense taken at all