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Phat Platypus
#1 Posted : 5/27/2012 9:52:05 PM

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(ladder into hyperspace provided by DMT) there are definitely others who've had this vision. would love to here others' input. here is my mental gesticulation:

Fractal history

As the 4th dimension evolves, the 'one' or the 'singularity' shifts into itself to facilitate the presence of time or flowing energy
What was once one is now a nested mutation of the original, thus entropy increases
the dynamo is continuous with the flows of energy (=time)
a perceived 'spiral' will become arbitrarily infinite, because as entropy builds so does the sense of complexity
The instantaneous nature of time is the present, and marks the progression further into the complexity carried on the flow of energy and time through the fabric of oneness.

This is why the future holds echos of the past, and the subatomic reverberates of galactic interactions.
The spiral, the universe fractal, is the interaction of 'the one' with 'time'. Thus a history

((as an interesting side note: the calculated critical value of the universe is and has been shifting as time progresses from 99.999999999% (close to 1)matter at the 'beginning' of the universe to a present ~50/~50 realtionship of dark and 'regular matter'. and its trending towards more dark. what does this mean? heading towards another singularity/big bang, expect with matter of opposite properties??)))self propagation of the oneness through annihilation??

your thoughts pleaasse

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Global
#2 Posted : 5/28/2012 3:52:35 AM

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I was literally just discussing fractal time with a friend no less than 5 hours ago! I agree with the increase in complexity, and I was envisioning it as a spiral as well. I'm not entirely sure what you mean about the singularity shifting into itself. I've had unity mystical experiences, but I've never been good at wrapping my head around what you're referring to which is reminiscent of Terence McKenna's eschaton awaiting "at the end of time".
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"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#3 Posted : 5/28/2012 4:14:11 AM

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This is very roughly what I mean be shifting into itself-
the Sierpinski tetrahedron fractal (note structure of Iteration rule),
obviously a tetrahedron isnt the ideal shape for this thought,
more fitting is an amorphous entity of dynamic geometry.

http://www.wolframalpha....i=Sierpinski+tetrahedron

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#4 Posted : 5/28/2012 4:44:23 AM

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Ah yes, I'm actually quite familiar with this shape, I just can never remember what it's called Laughing Now I don't know if this concept truly does fit in with the notion of time, but I find it intriguing that you picked the Sierpinski tetrahedron as an example because of it's heavy relationships involving 9's. Mythologically, God is often seen as being an Ennead (grouping of 9) or have an Ennead of entities/dimensions/light bodies/etc as the highest order. Perhaps a Sierpinski tetrahedron (male archetypal) within a sphere (female archetypal) would represent a highly balanced set of geometries.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#5 Posted : 5/28/2012 5:20:07 AM

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Fractal time is certainly a notion with some intuitive appeal. It comes up indirectly in the study of Elliott waves, which is the idea that the long-term trends of market prices are similar to the medium-term trends, which are again similar to the short-term and immediate-term trends:



Elliott waves are fractals in the popular sense of the term, i.e.: they exhibit self-similarity at every level, but no study has yet been able to identify or specify a mathematical fractal function yielding useful results for interpreting historical trends or predicting them into the future.

A similar idea comes up more scholastically in the metabolic theory of ecology (MTE). Wikipedia sums it up better than I could:
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MTE is based on an interpretation of the relationships between body size, body temperature, and metabolic rate across all organisms. Small-bodied organisms tend to have higher mass-specific metabolic rates than larger-bodied organisms. Furthermore, organisms that operate at warm temperatures through endothermy or by living in warm environments tend towards higher metabolic rates than organisms that operate at colder temperatures. This pattern is consistent from the unicellular level up to the level of the largest animals on the planet.

The theory posits that major characteristics of life and ecosystems from life-spans to populations and endless other traits are a fractal function of organism size, temperature and metabolic rate (which is itself a function of the organism's surface area).

In their seminal paper on the topic, ecologists West, Brown & Enquist describe MTE in a richly evocative conclusion:

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Although living things occupy a three-dimensional space, their internal physiology and anatomy operate as if they were four-dimensional. Quarter-power scaling laws are perhaps as universal and as uniquely biological as the biochemical pathways of metabolism, the structure and function of the genetic code, and the process of natural selection. The vast majority of organisms exhibit scaling exponents very close to 3/4 for metabolic rate and to 1/4 for internal times and distances. Theseare the maximal and minimal values, respectively, for the effective surface area and linear dimensions for a volume-filling fractal-like network. On the one hand, this is testimony to the power of natural selection, which has exploited variations on this fractal theme to produce the incredible variety of biological form and function. On the other hand, it is testimony to the severe geometric and physical constraints on metabolic processes, which have dictated that all of these organisms obey a common set of quarter-power scaling laws. Fractal geometry has literally given life an added dimension.


Hope this helps!
 
Phat Platypus
#6 Posted : 5/29/2012 2:20:52 AM

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Ennead I have never heard of. but interesting. love the creativity mythology can evoke.
Divinity is often derived from numerology on the basis of the universal application of numbers and the innate sense of satisfaction symmetrical entities tend to summon. e, pi, and the golden ratio derived from the Fibonacci seq. etc. many examples. Just the idea of Infinity has driven some insane(Cantor and myself are some examples).

Drom, I like the associations you made. I agree that mathematical models such as fractals are not ideal for interpreting historical/economical trends in the human arena. that, I imagine belongs more to the fields of something like chaos/complexity theories. However, a simple rule can spawn the complexity of the systems we see in our everyday lives. I suppose what I mean by 'fractal history' is a kind of shifting or promotion in the fundamental scaffolding, whether it be in the form of stings, quarks, higs bosons, photons, atoms, or DNA (and on to the cosmic level). Inextricable spiral-esque symmetry of infinite depth= Obviously pure speculation but fun to contemplate
The observed quarter-power scaling laws in regards to metabolic functions as a product of biological fractal functions seeking efficient maximums is a fascinating conjecture. Although I'd assume the 4th dimension in such systems was blatant, this is a seriously interesting thought that will have to be further explored.

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