i want to attempt a extraction of some kind with wild phalaris, since i missed a good window of weather oppurtunity this year (at least this season) to grow stuff, and have limited money for the time being for purchasing seeds and all that stuff

erowid has an FAQ detailing a bit about getting tryptamines from phalaris, and has this to say about timing your harvest:



i know im already going against the grain, but ive read one report of a quick and dirty "extraction" (which may get me some well deserved flack, but chemistry wasnt my strongest suit. and ive always been a tad uncomfortable with the idea of consuming something that required dangerous chemicals to make? i know there are food safe acids and bases and solvent, but again, money), and of this method working, shown here

it may be that they simply brewed an especially strong passionflower tea. maois do produce tracers and outlines and other phenomena, in the proper amounts...

anyway: im aiming to find a good semi-shady spot with some phalaris growing.

but TIMING.

oh the timing. sunrise or sunset is the best times for psychotria viridis, and ive heard more than once that phalaris tryptamine alkaloids are stronger and weaker in a similar fashion, with the lowest alkaloid levels being at noon and midnight. also trying to follow the festi and samorini tip, where the strongest leaves are the uppermost third. (and putting the leaves immediately into ethanol or the extracting agent. acidic distilled water?)

(i suppose this is comparable to having the worst strain of cannabis sativa, and trying to give it the most excellent growing and harvesting conditions. a friend of mine whos rather involved with Lady Mary once said that amazing bud is only half a good strain. the other half is how its taken care of - so that even a peasants strain could become a kings smoke, with the proper treatment)

my question is about the season: as i missed the spring regrowth, which probably ends by the time flowers appear, ive been trying to see when they shed seeds. its pretty difficult (the seeds dry to black and shiny, but i think they may be green or not fully matured by shedding perhaps?) crumbling dry flowers have no seeds in them, crumbling the green ones yeild what could be either seeds or flowers (SCREW YOU POACEAE FAMILY!!! i need a microscope to identify you sometimes!!!), and crumbling some of the flowers that seem halfway seems like i cant get the seeds out.

furthermore, the plants with have no seeds in their flowers seem to have the uppermost third of their leaves dead.

has anyone ever grown phalaris and harvested leaves at the seed-drop time? or even used wild type? what am i missing here? im sure theres a fair bit - today im sleep deprived, hence im a bit all over the place in writing, but cant get on today till later...

so, phalaris growers, what are your harvesting tips?

Check my signature phalaris link and all the links in there, should have all the relevant info I think

Dont forget to post back the results!

That stuff sounds like a mixed bad of alks and scary!
I am going to leave it until we can isolate things better...

Tell us your extraction method and trip report! Curious to hear/see what happens!

found some plants shedding seeds. will post pics tomorrow.

yeah, i totally lied about posting pics tomorrow. oh hindsight.

so far its like... have you ever had the universe steer you away from something? its like i keep trying to harvest some- but wake up too late, or too picky about my leaves, or something else comes up and GAH!

i dont often feel comfortable on the spiritual path. sometimes im lost, and theres nobody to talk to about where i might go and what i might do. other times im inundated in what i cannot seem to do, shoved around by fate to the only option i ever really had in a decision (but would be nice if the universe spoke louder so i wouldnt be fervently trying the choice i picked. if i cant have a choice, why make it seem like i have one?) itd be nice if there was a middle path between agoraphobia and claustrophobia sometimes, i would like it if i could just sit down with the Great Light in a coffee shop and talk it out with IT. many questions, though i know thats not how it goes, talking with divinity.

and i can recall back to my last entheogenic experiance, feeling like everything was *exactly* as it should be. someone once gave a theory of time travel based around an interpretation of either a wild thought experiment or a wild REAL experiment, sending a newly "created" photon back in time just enough to interfere with its creation, but found it was impossible (not the travel back, the action of interference). the interpretation being that probability itself plays a hand in the timeline, so that impossible events like killing your grandfather before your parents conception would be averted by probable events (gun jam), but trying harder would simply cause more improbably probable events (what i would call 'disaster magnet syndrome' - he picks up a penny at the last moment, a bird flies into the bullet and deflects it, ect) so i suppose really i am supposed to avoid wild phalaris... at least for now. maybe another time soon? maybe im to harvest the seeds instead and start those. (why oh why is turkish red seed nonexistent?)

(ALSO if one could really get to committing what would be impossible to the universe, the bullet might entirely vanish into a quantum fluctuation thats totally allowable by science but only held by the Great Light as an ace up its sleeve. but i digress.)

id like to think the Great Light steers us all to only the best of possible futures. but its only easy to see whilst greatly psychedelically intoxicated.

(Great Light - it was once posed that perhaps all electrons and positrons in the universe are one particle, going forwards as an electron in time, and going backwards in time as a positron - so that changing directions in time changes your charge and nothing else, and so that when you bring a forward flowing end of time to a backward flowing end, you get that explosion that youd expect. im not really sure the implications of all of this, BUT sometimes i get lonely in as strict of agnostic atheism as possible. i like to think that the Big Bang entangled all photons, that the mind is created by a field of virtual photons (as one possible way of modeling an electromagnetic field), and that anything that travels at light speed (as photons must necessarily do) experiences no aging while also experiencing its entire path in an instant.)

(SO that all minds is truly the One mind at the Beginning, and when we die we experience all things in no time, becoming energy in a sea of energy.)

(sorry, weird place to typographically vomit my beliefs. where was i?)

ah yes. if the Great Light can experience everything in no-time, and also be the energy of the universe, it could possibly steer events to manipulate the future (since it would be hard to miss a paradox when youre experiencing past and future at once). i like to think this exists out there, and that its friendly. so that is how i console myself when a plan just cant come together. is that immature? is that just a way of giving up? no, i dont think so, cuz ive often been steered away from something only to be steered back to it later. perhaps im just not ready yet.

I once grew phalaris.

But i could not find any recommendations at all for its use.

ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY EXTRACTING SMOKABLE PRODUCT FROM PHALARIS?
From what i read it is still something people really want to research, future.

I'm curious if shading increases alkaloid content in phalaris grasses maybe it would be enought to give full shade only just before harvest? Can anybody recommend light schedule and maybe even special spectrum to boost DMT?

I once spent a great deal of time and effort growing phalaris grass from seed and extracting it only to be disappointed when the extracts were inactive. Wild phalaris grass will likely be inactive as well.
As it turns out you have to start with a certain variety of phalaris grass that is bred to be active. Some of these clones have names like Yugo Red, Turkey Red, and Big Medicine. These need to be cloned via the rhizomes in order to propagate them.

Keep in mind that many of the active phalaris arundinacea strains have a high 5-Meo-DMT to DMT ratio, which may not be what you want.

Check this thread for details.