I have two ziplock bags with 100mg of each substance without knowing which is which

They both taste bitter yet different and one is snow-white and the other has slight touch of pink tone. That's quite not enough to make a scientific distinction, that color might be some batch contamination, poor recrystallization etc.

As the dosage for the two is 10x different my plan is to take 10-15mg of one substance intramuscularly assuming that it's 4-AcO-DMT. I only found oral dosages for 4-AcO-DMT on Wiki and mixed reports on different sites. Some people claim that there is no difference between oral and i/m. If you experienced with 4-AcO-DMT what would be your dosage suggestion?

The problem is that I don't have much weight to experiment with starting low and going higher. For if I guess wrong I waste my DPT supply and to my knowledge 100mg is just one moderate to strong hit for DPT.

just me but I would never trust shady stuff like that for IM..you dont even know what else could be in there..sounds ghetto. I would go oral.

I cant help you with which is which though, sorry.

Sounds like your preparing for disaster, if you don't even know which is which, what else don't you know about them? Do you know the purity? Do you know if these substances are even what there meant to be?

Stay safe.

I agree with the above posters in particular regarding IM route of administration for what you are discussing.

The DPT I've had had a distinct almost "chlorine" smell to it. 4-aco-DMT was scent free.

I would suggest that if you must move forward do the following - choose one of the substances. First do a super small ORAL administration allergy test. If that goes well, now do your experiment. Consume about 10 mgs ORALLY of your substance. If you get off it's 4-aco-DMT. If nothing happens, it's most likely DPT. DPT is not orally active.

DPT will take you far on 90 mgs insufflated. I wouldn't shoot anything as ambiguous and unclean as you have stated, regardless.

Good luck.

What is this...

Why do u have 2 random bags of random substances?

Extract something for yourself so you know what it is.


It makes me hurt inside to see posts like this.

I find it kinda boring to tell the entire story but... Okay. These chemicals I got from a trusted RC supplier I have experience with. They use wicked conspiracy scheme, I got plastic cans marked as some cleaning powder with the actual bags inside. It's only when I got them out I realized that that the cans were not identical but marked type A and type B - so that was the code. They sent me the answer to this intelligence grade puzzle on my email request but it was too late

And yes, the entire RC scene is risky and dangerous. You're never 100% sure what you're taking. There are reported cases of deaths and severe damage attributed to misdosing and confusing one RC drug to another, we all know that. And the safest way is to stay away from drugs just as your mummy told you.

Yet still. What makes oral consumption safer that i/m? I still have a chance of dying or puking my liver out if those powders are not what they are supposed to be.

Do you know what form (fumarate, HCL, etc.) these substances are in?

I use 4-aco....

is it fumerate or freebase?


I'm afraid you can't identify just by looking at it. I know my aco funerate is more a cakey cornstarch consistency, but after a little while in a sealed container it changes consistency to a less sticky, more refined "salt" even though its still fine and sticks to the gel capsules wall.

I'll post a close up picture of what my aco looks like, but my source is very reliable and I get gc-ms results with purity with my certificate of analysis. I wouldn't use a picture to identify RC's ever.... Its a dangerous game to play.

You got sound advice about if you just HAVE to try it, a low dose between 10-15mg orally is the way to go because with the aco, you'll get results. The other is NOT orally active so you won't lose out a lot of product at that low of dose.

I don't think you should do anything though. I think you need to get in touch with the supplier and have them check records of your last order. They should know what A and B were...

I got the point. DPT is indeed inactive orally, at least at such a small dose. And if I guess 4-AcO right and find it not deep enough I can always go deeper with another 5-10 mg. That's a smart suggestion. Cheers!

4-AcO-DMT fumarate and DPT Hcl. I have a PH meter, if they were freebase vs salt that would be an easy guess, but will it help without knowing the exact PH? Is there any substantial difference between the two?

They do know, that was the point of the stealth scheme and they did give me the clues upon my request. But once I realized what the scheme was the bags were out of the marked cans and I have no chance to remember which one I took from which can. That's the irony of the story

Do you have sophisticated enough gear to be able to determine melting points, flash points, density, and molecular weight?

Doh! I didn't see that....

Daaaaaang.

No, I'm a chemical layman.

You could by a cheap reagent test kit, and use that to see which is witch, or just send it to ED if you don't mind laying down the $.

Personally, i don't like the idea of determining what RC is what by bioassaying. No matter what compound were talking about.

ok. Well, I'll still let you see what my aco looks like when I get to it this evening. In no way do I advocate using a picture to identify any substance though....

What's the texture like?

"Yet still. What makes oral consumption safer that i/m? I still have a chance of dying or puking my liver out if those powders are not what they are supposed to be."

If you have to ask us that question you probly should just stay away from IM..there are some serious issues when it comes to injecting substances of questionable purity vs oral dosing..injecting substances of unknown purity is far more risky than consuming them orally.

I'm done. I followed the advice and took 15mg orally off one bag - guessed wrong, waited for an hour, felt almost nothing, so it was DPT.

I swallowed then 15 mg of 4-AcO-DMT which yielded a moderate strength trip. That was something in between DMT and mushrooms. It had DMT-like visuals and some audio fractals, but lacked the hypertension that I experience from other tryptamines. Quite the contrary I had some drunken relaxation and wobbly gait as if I was tipsy. That's the only psychedelic drug so far (I've done over a dozen) that made me feel clearly euphoric and joyful. Many people, for instance, claim substituted MIPTs to be some sort of "tryptamine extasy" - I only had 15 hours speed-like rush with 5-MeO-MIPT and severe hypertension, twitching and short breath with 4-HO-MIPT. It was like 5-MeO-DMT body load but with visuals which lasted 2 hours instead of 10 minutes. Pure hell. So I learned from that that you should not trust someone else trip-reports blindly since everyone's metabolism is individual and there is such thing as idiosyncratic reactions. Overall, I found 4-AcO-DMT a very valuable compound. So far it's my favourite recreational psychedelic drug ever.

DPT is different. I plugged 85mg. I would call this "twisted DMT". It has slow and transparent onset, it's substantially less visual than DMT but shares with it the animalistic, basic archetypal character. At peak intoxication it's a beasty instinctual state lacking reason and common sense but there are less flamboyant visual special FX as with DMT. The curious thing I found about it was that I could easily switch between the tensive and possessive tryptamine vibe coming from within and complete relaxation, sleep-like detachment. The only adverse bodily effect were burnt rectum - this stuff is pungent and weird chemical smell of the solution that followed me throughout the trip, not intolerable or strictly loathsome, just neutrally weird. The trip lasted for 2 hours with 3 hours of mildly stimulating afterlgow. Slept well, felt very good and renewed the day after.

dude that sounds really sketchy for only 100mg 4-aco........lol