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#1 Posted : 5/23/2012 11:21:00 PM

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When I say I've reached a new level I mean by level of trips and their profoundness and trippiness. I've had some trips in my psychedelic experience where I have been pretty far out there but these last 15 trips have been absolutely mind-blowing in every sense. I'm not going to sit here and go through these last few trips but I'm going to "summarize" one that has permanently changed my view of and respect for DMT.

A little background... I've done DMT ~ 750 times. Out of those trips I'd say I've had 350 or so profound breakthroughs, 250 or so sub-breakthroughs, and the rest ranging from a full body load but no visuals to a full body load and nice visuals. I have thoroughly enjoyed every single trip even the trippy creepy ones but this last 15 or so trips have thrown me completely for a loop. The difference with these last trips are that I've kept my eyes completely open and the visuals that came were just as strong IF NOT STRONGER than some of my most profound closed eyed visuals.

This is where the "The Veil" comes into play. First let me tell you a tip that has gotten me to this new level pretty much 100% of the time. A friend of mine taught me a breathing/inhalation technique that has literally lengthened and powered my trips 2 and 3 fold stronger than my previous trips. The trick is when you are holding the smoke... you must hold the smoke at least 15 seconds... but that is not it. At the end of the 15 seconds you are going to feel pressure/slight pain within your lungs. When this pain comes DO NOT RELEASE!!! It may sound crazy but hold on brothas and sistas. The pain will only last a few seconds, if that and then something totally incredible happens... it's like when the DMT is absorbed it tends to wash the pain away and that is no different with this breathing technique. The DMT will set in and take the pain away giving you another 10-15 seconds of air. By the end of those 20-30 seconds you should be nearing warp levels... time to teleport... the vibrations can be seen, felt, heard, completely sensed and now you will be fully on your way.

Fight it though... if you haven't cleared your bowl or whatever go in for the kill and try and hold that hit even longer.... this is where things will get a little hectic.

THE VEIL... my last trip I did that exact same technique but with two bowls that had around 45-50 mg each. My eyes were WIDE OPEN... and while holding the last hit I literally saw a veil/wall of extreme fragmentation (fractal patterns mixed with all kinds of colors, intricate and delicate waves of random vibrations and movement) descend before my very eyes... and if this makes sense... it somewhat coated my eyes and vision. After this veil slowly descended downwards everything above it changed into a whole new type of view or vision... until the veil finally touched my living room floor.


WOOOOWWWWWW... It was like I was looking through a prism of some sort while at the same time my eyes were covered with colorful bubble wrap. Now as I looked at my chandelier I literally saw it transform right in front of me... it changed itself from a chandelier to a miniature golden dragon... shooting lasers from every inch of its body. It did that for I'm guessing around 5-10 seconds but I was lost in its trance for a lifetime. After that the most UNREAL shit that has EVER gone down in a trip happened to me.

As I was looking at the golden dragon slowly stop the laser show… I saw a slight movement behind the "dragon". Astonishment isn’t the word that comes to mind here… there isn’t a word that describes this. What I saw was the top half of my beige curtains fold up and transform into 4 small gargoyles hanging slightly above my living room window. The curtains then transformed from curtains to the overly sized dangling tongues of these gargoyles. Next saliva from the gargoyles slowly oozed down the “tongues” of these gargoyles and when the saliva hit the floor the WHOLE room came alive. From inanimate to everything having a waterbed motion… all kinds of symbols and patterns printed on everything in the room. My ceiling became a whirlpool of Aztec designs and faces, Mayan designs and faces, more gargoyles, gremlins and jesters. Bones, eyes, and every single body part you could imagine mixed with every single emotion you could imagine with all kinds of faces all over the place.

Well some of you might be thinking that was a bad trip but to me it wasn’t at all. I see things like this all the time but DMT has a strange way of making things that are hideous in this world beyond beautiful in hyperspace. What makes this trip even more trippier than any other trip I’ve had is… A.) I could not connect the dots for a long time. I mean I’ve had moments in trips where I couldn’t figure out how I got here or there but that lasts maybe 4-5 minutes tops… well with this trip there wasn’t an “I” so to speak... rather my energy was an observer of that realm. When I was coming down it still took a minute for me to realize that I had just smoked DMT and that was why I was seeing that other world. It didn’t register until like 10-15 minutes later.
B.) I’ve seen countless entities in hyperspace… but the “entity” I saw at the end of this trip truly made me feel like there was a higher intelligence observing me. I’ve had that feeling before but not NEAR as heavy or realistic as this one. When this crazy trip came to near a close… my eyes got transfixed on the corner of my living room… and while looking in that direction a humongous shadow of a head formed right in front of my eyes…. My mood changed from wooow this trip is crazy, ridiculous, and truly outrageous to OOOOHHHHH shit I am truly being observed from the other side… this other dimension. I could actually feel this “entity” observe me intently… I didn’t fold or anything but I was VERY afraid while I observed this shadow being… I couldn’t see a single feature in this 9 foot tall shadow head but I could literally feel this thing observing my surroundings while I observed it... this is the first time something like this has happened in such a deep and profound way.

I honest feel like with this last trip I got some kind of sensory overload… I even had some sick ass music booming in my room which bled into the living room but while tripping it was the faintest whisper… like the music was a total whisper... it sounded like someone who didn’t know how to whistle was trying to whistle in my room… it was insane. I know I got a major download of information with that last trip but I honestly don’t know what to do with it…. Even though I feel permanently changed… I don’t know in what way. My perceptions have changed slightly and my thoughts are even more free-flowing but there is something more though that I just can’t understand… yet. MY DREAMS HAVE BEEN VERY RANDOM AND INTENSE… and I have dreams back to back to back now.

My question to my fellow psychonauts is have you ever reached THAT level?… to me this trip was WAAYYYYY above any profound breakthrough I’ve ever had and what I summarized with that trip is only like 5% of what I truly saw and felt.. Nothing can really explain what I saw but I tried my best! Lol

P.S. Due to this last trip I’m taking a little hiatus to let myself acclimate to the real world and real life… because these last 15 trips were somewhat like a pilgrimage/trial by fire… I had been tripping 3-4 days beforehand... around 4-5 times a day but that last trip was just sooooooooooo far out there!
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#2 Posted : 5/25/2012 8:29:11 AM

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This report had me gripped the second I read about your curtains curling up into gargoyles. I would love to have a trip as intense as that with droning vocals kind of music playing, I think that is what I need. I just wouldn't know where to find that, closest I can think of is "Divine moments of truth" by Shpongle - minus the background music.

As for the giant head, AWESOME.

Once I've gotten out of my money-less ditch I am definitely going to make that journey, max out the DMT consumption, and have the ride of my life.

It is reports like this that inspire me to do that, so I would like to say thank you for the incredibly interesting read.

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Psychonaut In Orbit
#3 Posted : 5/25/2012 7:07:00 PM

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changalvia wrote:
This report had me gripped the second I read about your curtains curling up into gargoyles. I would love to have a trip as intense as that with droning vocals kind of music playing, I think that is what I need. I just wouldn't know where to find that, closest I can think of is "Divine moments of truth" by Shpongle - minus the background music.

As for the giant head, AWESOME.

Once I've gotten out of my money-less ditch I am definitely going to make that journey, max out the DMT consumption, and have the ride of my life.

It is reports like this that inspire me to do that, so I would like to say thank you for the incredibly interesting read.

Peace,
Changalvia


Thanks for reading my friend Thumbs up I figured someone would get something outta this last trip I had... so I wrote down the thoughts that had been swirling through my head since that last trip around a week ago.

Yeah that last trip is not for the faint of heart... those kinda trips I want to experience maybe only 1-2 times every two or three months.. the catch 22 is I'm not doing DMT unless I'm using at least two bowls and my breathing trick so I have a feeling that these trips might come more than once or twice every two or three months Big grin I guess it will all sort itself out when it comes. I respect DMT to the fullest... some posters/readers/enjoyers of the molecule may "think" otherwise because of my excessive usage... but that week long pilgrimage happened for a reason and I feel even more mentally liberated and stronger/enhanced in the mind than ever before! Cool

All I can say is GOOD LUCK to you my friend and whoever else reads my words... I can tell you every word in the dictionary trying to explain my trips but it STILL wont prepare anybody for hyperspace at THAT intense of a level! Shocked Very happy Shocked
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#4 Posted : 7/1/2012 10:11:46 AM

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Hay buddy do you mind elaborating on specifically why this was so much more intense than usual? Was it just the being that was observing you so intently or was it the whole experience? Im curious because this doesn't sound that abnormal for a DMT trip, and I know its impossible to put into words but hopefully you can quantify a few specific reasons why this was so abnormal. Thanks man and great report!
 
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#5 Posted : 7/1/2012 11:27:29 AM

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Cosmic_Revolution wrote:
Hay buddy do you mind elaborating on specifically why this was so much more intense than usual? Was it just the being that was observing you so intently or was it the whole experience? Im curious because this doesn't sound that abnormal for a DMT trip, and I know its impossible to put into words but hopefully you can quantify a few specific reasons why this was so abnormal. Thanks man and great report!


Thanks for the response. Sorry another long post! Thumbs up

Well for starters... the "intelligence" this trip displayed to me was unreal. Like I said... I've come across entities that showed their intelligence either through telepathic messages, piercing looks with different emotions displayed on their faces, unexplainable feelings of being loved or wanted... like a feeling of belonging as if saying "Hey I see you there little human.. and it's totally fine that you are in my domain, matter of fact while you are here I'ma show you a few things".. etc.. But this entity most certainly didn't give off a feeling of belonging... it was almost as if this entity was dimension surfing and somehow stumbled upon the state I was in... it wanted to let me know that it was fully observing me, probing the situation, and this feeling of being probed or observed stopped me completely in my tracks. This entity seemed to relish in the fact that I was in complete awe.. and the fact that I could feel it feed off of that energy completely threw me off track and startled me. The circus and it's masters were brought to my domain in full and I truly wasn't prepared for that. Shocked Shocked Shocked

Another thing was there was no escape when I went this far... closing my eyes, opening eyes,.. I've had powerful trips before where both sides bled into each other but it was as if my eyelids were transparent. A complete new vision, bubble 4d vision on steroids, everything had a different plane of existence to it that I had never seen before but at the same time seemed familiar like it existed but I just couldn't see while being in my regular mind state. Plus it was as if my vision was amplified to the microscopic degree... to the point I was doing double takes because I swore up and down I could see the particles of life bouncing all around the room (chaos in full effect... protons and electrons bouncing all over the place).

The glitching was very extreme... and the tracers. Fraction within fraction of time was breaking down within itself to the point it seemed as though time would freeze, stutter, fast forward, slow mo, stutter, glitch, glitch, tracers to where it looked like I had 20 arms, 100 hands, and 1000 fingers. Extreme sound distortions that I've never experienced before... I had music blasting. I usually have music playing and one of the signs that let me know I'm bout to go into a deep one is the sound will muffle... and then the carrier wave.. and then the music would come back in pieces with a delay, distortion, and stutters. With this the music was just a faint whisper as if someone that couldn't whistle was trying to whistle... and this was during pretty much the whole trip.

The length of the tripping was longer too... approximately twice as long. You know the stage at which you have no thought of yourself, complete oblivion. I was stuck in this stage for twice as long as I ever been. I had open eyes the whole time and hyperspace came to me... there was no escaping.

For those who have done DMT, you'll know what I'm talking about when I say you can see the room "breath" or come alive... well this time it was different. When the gargoyles saliva touched the floor it was like a spirit force tidal wave hit the entire room... leaving whirlpools of aztec faces, mayan faces, codes, symbols on my floor and ceiling. I thought my carpet was growing like grass... and I almost got sea sick looking at the extreme warping motion that was happening to the floor and ceiling...

Meanwhile there were visuals imprinted on everything I saw... like this was the "skin" for this dimension... these visuals that was stamped on everything looked like neon animated billboards displaying every single moment that has ever happened up to this point in time (similar to a projector)... while at the same time certain portions of the room was showing me very confusing visuals. The visuals looked like an extraterrestrial science textbook that was showing some unheard of knowledge that no one of this species could grasp unless we made some MAJOR leaps in science... I couldn't wrap my mind around this... it was just too much sensory overload and all this was happening AFTER I had came back from complete oblivion... the come back was noticeably longer and different.

I've came back before and had waves of pure bliss surge through my body again and again in intervals but with this trip when the surges came I also got the "pulling"/warping/teleportation sensation as if I was being launched back into hyperspace. If I wouldn't have been caught so off guard with this trip I feel that with a bit of focus I could have launched myself back into oblivion. Who knows? I wont know until I go there again which will be within this year (maybe the next few months). When I do this I'll be sure to try my best to focus on relaunching through will and energy itself. Drool Drool Drool

After saying all that I don't think I've explained .00001 percent of what I actually witnessed. I was so utterly helpless and bombarded with so many visuals that I truly didn't know which way to go... lol. It was as if I was trapped in a bubble that encompassed the whole room and the actual bubble was made out of extreme visuals itself... on top of everything else I already said... truly random and out there.

If you have any more questions... please feel free to ask. Thumbs up
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#6 Posted : 7/1/2012 11:38:35 AM
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Cosmic_Revolution wrote:
Hay buddy do you mind elaborating on specifically why this was so much more intense than usual? Was it just the being that was observing you so intently or was it the whole experience? Im curious because this doesn't sound that abnormal for a DMT trip, and I know its impossible to put into words but hopefully you can quantify a few specific reasons why this was so abnormal. Thanks man and great report!


He said he held the hits for some time and smoked 90-100mg total. If that's the fact and he actually got it all, then I can see how that would be much more intense than the average breakthrough. I dont know many that try to dose that high (or either can't do it physically after that big of a first rip). Sometimes the intensity of these things is hard to put into words though.

Nice report man. Thumbs up
 
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#7 Posted : 7/1/2012 11:42:38 AM

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Synergy wrote:
Cosmic_Revolution wrote:
Hay buddy do you mind elaborating on specifically why this was so much more intense than usual? Was it just the being that was observing you so intently or was it the whole experience? Im curious because this doesn't sound that abnormal for a DMT trip, and I know its impossible to put into words but hopefully you can quantify a few specific reasons why this was so abnormal. Thanks man and great report!


He said he held the hits for some time and smoked 90-100mg total. If that's the fact and he actually got it all, then I can see how that would be much more intense than the average breakthrough. I dont know many that try to dose that high (or either can't do it physically after that big of a first rip). Sometimes the intensity of these things is hard to put into words though.

Nice report man. Thumbs up


Thank you brethren! Thumbs up

This was definitely the "sky diving" level of dosing... I would say the only thing above it would be injecting and/or Ayahuasca itself.

Also in reference to not being physically able to do the two bowl method (you gotta have help, or you can try for yourself but it's gonna be so hard)... I wasn't able to but I had a friend help me clear the second bowl and when I mean help I mean, him saying my name over and over to get my attention and holding the bowl and lighting it for me... while this was happening my friend's face would just randomly pop up in my "open eyed hyperspace"... he looked so ridiculous too... lol.. his face was stacking on itself over and over and after a little while I couldn't even look at him cause I was tripping so hard. lol Big grin
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#8 Posted : 7/1/2012 2:50:09 PM

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Sounds like you had quite the wild journey, can I ask if the room you were in fully dissolved or could you still make out parts of it?

I will finish with the compulsory, buy a GVG, you could get 100mg down in a single 10 sec hit, I feel you would get a noticeable increase in effect from a single hit compared to multiple hits you are taking.

Anyway, that was a fine tale
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#9 Posted : 7/1/2012 4:02:52 PM

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3rdI wrote:
Sounds like you had quite the wild journey, can I ask if the room you were in fully dissolved or could you still make out parts of it?

I will finish with the compulsory, buy a GVG, you could get 100mg down in a single 10 sec hit, I feel you would get a noticeable increase in effect from a single hit compared to multiple hits you are taking.

Anyway, that was a fine tale


Yeah I need a GVG baaaddddd ... lol. Just made due with what I had at the time... it was most definitely a wild journey. As far as making out anything.... it was a "dissolving" effect when that fragmenting veil or wall slowly descended down... then the dragon/chandellier came to life, then followed the gargoyles who drooled the saliva of life into the room and then EVERYTHING was literally "transformed" and given it's own little life force... so everything in this world was transformed to it's hyperspace counterpart. These things showed themselves in a different way. So the table was no longer a table... the counter wasn't a counter (these things were made up of all kinds of body parts and foreign anatomies that made no sense at all)... these words and meanings (tables and counters) literally translated to nothing cause nothing made since at ALL. A true circus freak show in the most beautiful and respectful way... including the "overseer" that came in to check on me.... Shocked Shocked Shocked

@ayanami

cool video... I must say the way those images were painted (that glow) was somewhat similar in the way my living room looked (especially the gargoyle curtains... it looked like a 4d water painting) but just imagine looking at those images with 4d color "bubble wrap" shades on.... @2:44 of the vid.. my ceiling somewhat resembled that except replace the faces with aztec and mayan faces... my ceiling would also "peel" or melt away and splash in a fresh new "sheet of insanity" over and over... like a wavepool of images ... those images in that video are strangely familiar... like pieces of those images are floating all through my brain but I can't put the full puzzle together...

I appreciate that vid... pretty trippy stuff fareal... with a strange sense of familiarity to it... Smile
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#10 Posted : 7/1/2012 4:28:36 PM

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ayanami_rei13 wrote:
personally i think that it is dream consciousness that is experienced on dmt.

hence the 'illogical' goings on are based upon memory (or some remaining sight of) the waking world.
Hence everything does seem familiar, because it is familiar - but put together illogically in the dream state...
but this also makes sense.
the logic of the real world is just one logic of infinite logical ways to see and do things. so the coherence of dmt is an example of that, which we experience in dreams anyway.

just my opinion.

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and yes, i see that on dmt all the time - so did the aztecs and mayans and toltecs etc etc. and drew pictures.


I agree... totally. It's something very familiar with the dream world and hyperspace, but as you say the illogical way it's put together in the dream world and hyperspace is similar and just plain insane (also how these "subconscious" memories bleed through to these dream worlds and hyperspace Shocked Shocked Shocked )... that's why my dreams have been insane for over a month now. So clear and my dream recall has been amazing. It is almost like I'm living a double life... my dream life and my real life. Now if I practiced on my Lucid Dreaming techniques then I'm guessing I could have some REAL fun in my dream life.... Very happy


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p.s. oh yes... the "spirits of the ancient world" have been ever present in more than a few of my trips. I've seen also native americans too (I'm part cherokee) and actually felt like I've seen my ancestors before. In another trip that was actually a bit TOO clear... I saw groups upon groups of indians walking.... like walking the trail of tears and the view point I had was from the ground up, as if I was the spirit of the ground/Earth and they were walking on me while I was looking up into the sky... the groups of indians just walked over me but as they passed through my field of vision their golden auras would be freely morphing and shifting around them... golden threads coming out of every single pore on their bodies... and these auras were forming ALL kinds of fractal patterns. That trip was very profound and gave me new insight.. and I haven't even began to fully describe that trip but that is for another thread and trip report. Thumbs up
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#11 Posted : 7/1/2012 4:52:55 PM

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ayanami_rei13 wrote:
Psychonaut In Orbit wrote:
ayanami_rei13 wrote:
personally i think that it is dream consciousness that is experienced on dmt.

hence the 'illogical' goings on are based upon memory (or some remaining sight of) the waking world.
Hence everything does seem familiar, because it is familiar - but put together illogically in the dream state...
but this also makes sense.
the logic of the real world is just one logic of infinite logical ways to see and do things. so the coherence of dmt is an example of that, which we experience in dreams anyway.

just my opinion.

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and yes, i see that on dmt all the time - so did the aztecs and mayans and toltecs etc etc. and drew pictures.


I agree... totally. It's something very familiar with the dream world and hyperspace, but as you say the illogical way it's put together in the dream world and hyperspace is similar and just plain insane (also how these "subconscious" memories bleed through to these dream worlds and hyperspace Shocked Shocked Shocked )... that's why my dreams have been insane for over a month now. So clear and my dream recall has been amazing. It is almost like I'm living a double life... my dream life and my real life. Now if I practiced on my Lucid Dreaming techniques then I'm guessing I could have some REAL fun in my dream life.... Very happy


i think other people are living a double life!

one they're aware of, one they're not!

to me, the dream state and the subconscious mind are the same thing. so when people write or speak they are actually speaking their subconscious thoughts.

but these go from illogical (dream state) thoughts... to logical expressions in the precisely defined-words you're reading.

dmt has helped me to accept the dream state, rather than dismiss it like most people do.

when you're immersed in dmt there is no denying it at all! i look and look and it is clear and coherent and precise and the faces ARE faces....

so to me, the thing that is at fault in trying to understand these experiences... is the one directional logic of the waking world itself. i would even link this to the awake/asleep separation itself... and the tru/false separation of thinking.

this makes no sense in the dream world or the dmt world, obviously. yet the experiences do make sense without trying to make them fit into one directional logic.



most definitely... the last thing you want to do is try and make logic out of something so completely illogical. It's just not going to happen but for some reason, we as humans, tend to try and make a "relation" or some kind of connection to things, even with something as random as DMT hyperspace and the dream world... the waking life and the rules that govern it DO NOT translate at all to Hyperspace and the Dream world and that, I think, is partly why it makes some of these trips downright frightening because we have nothing to measure these experiences to... why all the while there is a definite feeling of familiarity with it. lol So puzzling, intriguing, and awe-inspiring all at the same time. That's why I truly love DMT... and the little "gifts" it brings each time. Very happy

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I say that to say this... what makes sense in the real world is not going to translate. I think the trick is to learn how to accept the rules of play in Hyperspace and the Dream world, instead of trying to connect it with something. Hyperspace and the show it brings makes sense IN Hyperspace... there's nothing to compare it to except maybe the dream world which in and of itself just as random... and to try and make real world sense of a dream or DMT trip is not going to happen (but the lucidity is uncanny just the same... and familiar.. lol)... we would be sitting here typing for a lifetime only to be able explain 1 percent of what truly is transpiring while in these states of consciousness cause language doesn't "cover" what takes place while in Hyperspace or in the dream state.

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I like your theory too.. with the dream state thoughts to logical... and it sounds plausible. Almost like a "filter" in our minds to try and relate these thoughts to one's waking life.

oh and I'm almost 99% certain I'm living or existing in more planes than one! Very happy Thumbs up
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


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#12 Posted : 7/1/2012 5:28:02 PM

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ayanami_rei13 wrote:
but maybe if we could accept that there are infinite logical perspectives...
then we could choose which logic to use, and for what purpose...
at will..

thinking that the (real) experience is illogical is a trap of our normal logic in-itself, if you see what i mean. all experience is real... ultimately

but we choose the 'best logic' to get the most out of science,
or a different one to get the most out of art, or music etc.

shifting perspective in the dmt state still gives undeniable, repeatable archetypes,

so i believe that it is a useable, and knowable state.... every bit as much as the waking world is...
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I agree... Hyperspace is VERY real to me... while I'm in there (which means I'm experiencing it right? even though I am no longer I... I transform from the real world me to the hyperspace me which is no longer me but just as real as the "real" me). The real world doesn't exist while being in there so for the time being my real world is replaced with hyperspace which in essence means I'm experiencing hyperspace which is beyond real to me at the time, maybe extremely illogical but very real all the same... and the same goes for the dream state.

I agree with the acceptance bit also... if we could "decipher" the logic of Hyperspace each time we took the plunge then the possibilities would be astronomical. I feel our brains just aren't developed enough to fully take in all that DMT is trying to show you and teach you. If one can download the information from Hyperspace, use their "enhanced" filter to translate it to this waking life then could you imagine the ideas one could come up with? Cause I know for certain I was shown some things and given some type of knowledge (the extraterrestrial science textbook) but I just don't know where to start, or what to do with what I got... lol.

I got a feeling the human of the future, and it's enhanced mental state, would be able to take A LOT from extreme experiences like Hyperspace.. and then apply it to the waking world.. new ideas, landscapes, soundscapes, which could mean new types of music, new types of architectural design, etc.....


just brainstorming... man.. nothing is concrete. I like the ideas you have brought forth ayanami! Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#13 Posted : 7/1/2012 6:23:22 PM

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Also... some may ask why didn't I just put 100mgs in one bowl... well I was actually scared to take it all in one like that. As 3rdI stated...100 mg in a GVG...in one go (or in my case a bowl) would have made the trip even stronger and I 100% agree... I might try this method once I get used to the two bowl method because 100 mgs all in one go I know would be the mind shattering experience that would leave me picking up pieces of my consciousness and ego, after coming back... like a cosmic shotgun to the dome...

Another thing I wanna say is the body feel was like nothing else I've ever experienced... it was like my soul was being tickled to death. If you've ever been attacked by friends and they all tickled you until you almost peed your pants then you very slightly know what the feeling is like... but instead times that by 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000... also add in a sense of arousal and warmth and vibration... along with a mixture of being electrocuted by lighting bolts made out of pure bliss and awe... every time a wave hit, my THOUGHTS would cease (a total disconnect from my body while all at the same time being hit with all that feeling in the body... so it was weird in a way I could sense what was happening to my body but in little intervals I would have a total disconnect from my body)... lol... it got to the point where I was almost pleading to TPTB in hyperspace to let me catch my breath, or take a break because the intensity of the feeling was flooding through every cell of my body... total shattering of mind, body and soul in the most beautiful train wreck I've ever been a part of...
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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Dang, I wish I had the patience to read through the replies. Just wanted to add my thumbs up to your experience. I didn't read the subjective part(tbh no one's subjective trip can or should be described in words), but your technique to get there was good. I've been to that level only once before, and I do remember my breath made a big difference--I only needed a single large rip from a bong, that I held for 15 seconds. I was also on 1g of 3x P. harmala, and could tell immediately that the potential was increased. I let my body fall back, and the tickling in my lungs subsided as the trip began, 'numbing my body' and letting me hold that hit another 15 seconds. I don't even remember exhaling, only that I was in another vibrant world for ten minutes. The session was interrupted by a delivery person at the door, and the shock back to reality left me in that dreamy, veil perception for a couple minutes as I scrambled to address the situation.

To this day it was the longest and most powerful breakthrough, my reality was blended with the ethereal realm.
 
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All I can say is WOW! Shocked Seriously amazing trip. Thanks for sharing your experience. I thoroughly enjoyed reading Thumbs up
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#16 Posted : 7/1/2012 7:02:59 PM

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@ayanami ... maybe developed wasn't the right word... maybe we don't utilize the tools that lie dormant in our minds due to being conditioned by the modern day society we are in and other factors. I think society of every day rule abiding life and the experiences within dulls these mind expanding capabilities... the societies of old had that respect. They cherished these moments and experiences... the profound was looked at in a different light then what today society views it.... I think DMT breaks those chains... and that feeling of letting go is like no other.... being free not just physically but mentally and to a certain extent, spiritually.

@Icon... AMAZING isn't it? Getting numbed out like that... being swept away in a vortex of complete and utter devastation while all the while being anesthetized with pure love, warmth, and light... the numbing, then pulling then warping sensation is unmatched... it's the scariest moment with DMT which so happens to be my most favorite. It's a shame your breakthrough got interrupted but I'm glad you got to see that side/that level.

I bet you didn't know what hit you.... and I bet you didn't know what "you" were before even realizing you had smoked DMT to get there. I had to connect the dots man... even after the ending of the come back. Thoughts were racing through my head like "How did I get there?" "Did I do something to get there?" "Oh wait.... did I smoke something to get there?" ummmmmm.. "OK... I smoked DMT... ah.. now I think I remember" ... lol
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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#17 Posted : 7/1/2012 7:09:24 PM

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3rdeyeopen wrote:
All I can say is WOW! Shocked Seriously amazing trip. Thanks for sharing your experience. I thoroughly enjoyed reading Thumbs up


No doubt my fellow psychonaut.... Thumbs up

Glad you enjoyed the experience... these words fail to truly convey what I saw, felt etc... but I'm glad I could display a fraction of this experience... because all it takes is that fraction to get a general idea even though there is SOOOOO much more to it than just words. Smile

Happy and Safe Travels!!! Thumbs up
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

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