I've vaporized harmalas every night for a while now and here is what I have concluded:

- At a high enough dose, things can get just as weird and vivid as DMT, but in it's own way.
- Time is dilated. Time goes by faster.
- Music is dilated. Pitch and tempo are increased.
- I have observed this loud potato-gun-like sound (like something shooting through a tube at high speeds) followed by a loud hissing ringing when I am about to "fall asleep." It is usually so startling and random that it snaps me out of trance and this happens repeatedly until I eventually pass out. Sounds very...technological. A bit like sleep paralysis but also different.

Feel free to share your notes. I bet endogenous harmalas help with the dilation of time during sleep, but that is pure speculation.

whats your dosage for "vivid as DMT" effects and what was the duration of these effects?

I pack my bong bowl with mounds of it on top of white sage and vape until I feel nauseous and the effects become apparent, that's when I know I've dosed myself good. I am an improvisationalist so I know this answer won't please everybody. As for duration...I never keep track. I consider these experiments an all night thing that leads to sleep.

Another note: Many say harmalas have no tolerance, but I have taken a few days off here and there and the effects are always stronger when I do that.

hey House, what is the source of your harmalas? are they exracted alkaloids?

Yes, purified manske on syrian rue. I speculate more harmaline than harmine but I can't say for sure. I have vaporized over 20 grams this year so far. They are wonderful tools.

I've been smoking FB harmalas from rue as well. Usually on top of some good MJ.

It makes the weed way stonier, all most like I ate some good brownies. A real deep stone, not for hanging out with friends or road trips etc. Usually makes me fall asleep and stay asleep thru the night. Good stuff!!

Cool, I'm glad it wasn't my wishful thinking... when I subling harmalas and then smoke really mediochre cannabis... it makes it seem like really decent cannabis.

Can't believe this slipped past me. I have been smoking it several times a day since I dried my big batch. I get auditory effects like nitrous, tracers and dark CEV's, time-slip (faster and/slower depending on events). These things are interesting but not why I smoke.

I also get emotional distance from my thoughts/memories. I get calmness and serenity. This is the endgame for me.

I hope it doesn't stop working as it loses novelty.

Yea, I do as well. Rather than feeling detached, it just feels like there's a warm blanket of protection wrapped around me, shielding me from emotional pain/harm while allowing me to acknowledge the issues causing them and the underlying choices. It's a really interesting mental state. Also, on several occasions, using a gravity bong that had some cannabis and was heaped with harmalas, I noticed that I got a very profound and intense sort of fluttering in both of my ears.

It was a tremendous sort of vibrational buzzing that was almost overwhelming, to the point where I had to sit down, and when I did I was totally lost in it for about 5 minutes. Then it subsided to the "normal" effects. In over 2 years of vaping harmalas, the effects have not diminished in the slightest for me.

Strange, I have gotten a very similar phenomenon, but never with harmala... for me it came through with Synaptoleptis kirkii. I would be in the trance that this dream-root causes and hear a sound I could only think of as "gunshots", although it also was like my something popping around my head. It, like you reported, kicked me out of the trance! It was the strangest thing! I had very strong dreams that night as well, with magical and eery undertones.

Today I started smoking my harmala fb extracts.I used glasspipe to smoke.After some minutes I felt throttling and like my throat muscles were closed.Also felt like if I do a deep breath I'll vomit.Is this things usual in smoking harmala extracts? BTW I'm still keeping smoking to feel something hard, till now I'm just feeling some weightlessness.

Wow. I would say that's not usual, at least for me or other reports I have read. Nausea is, but not the symptoms you desc. How did you extract? I wouldn't smoke any more until we get your process cleared up, just in case.

I've used the Tao of Rue extract.I tried to remove any possible impurities by washing them 5 times.

Possibly sucking the freebased material through the pipe and into your lungs? Whenever stuff hits your upper and middle airways this reaction happens, be it saltwater or other chems.

Are you applying direct flame to the harmalas or heating up the bottom of the bowl?

I recently smoked 100mg+ (eyeballed dose) of caapi extract through my bong and experienced extreme tinnutis / high pitched wah wah effects for about 30 mins, which, tbh, was pretty annoying is this usual? Reading this thread, apparently all sorts of weird audio distortion goes on after vaping / smoking harmala extract...

did you get much else or just the wah?

wholy crap man you guys vape 100mg at a time? ..seriously??

I thought vaping was like more than 10x the activity compared to oral..that would be like ingesting over a gram of rue alklaoids..which is a very large ammount. (edit, I realize you smoked caapi alkaloids..maybe there is a difference)

Id be real sick and having insane experiences at that dose I would think.

a few mg's is enough to feel effects for me, becasue I can get some powerful effects sometimes from just smoking bowls of caapi leaf..

well I don't weigh the stuff but I've bonged numerous fat piles easily exceeding 100mg. (About as pure of a product as you can get) There is a threshold where the side effects outweigh the psychedelia, but this is around 500mg or so, of course depending on person. If you are sensitive you probably shouldn't dose that high, work your way up and find your sweet spot.

I like vaporizing until I am nauseated and am noticeably tripping fairly hard. This state combined with meditation has yielded profound experiences that rival a good dose of n,n-dmt in intensity and immersion of the experience, as I have previous noted.

3rdI - yeah, there were some pretty decent tracers when moving hands etc, and a very interesting head buzz, which seemed to be coupled with the high pitch sound, which unfortunately distracted from any real meditation unfortunately.

Jamie - Yes, in a few lungfulls. Maybe the high pitch tone was a sign that I smoked a little too much? It wasn't overly intense, and an overall nice experience. I would smoke less if coupled with DMT though.

Sounds normal. High pitched ringing, tempo shifts, pitch shifts, explosions, songs, voices, things of that nature are common.