hey nexusians, i was wondering and do have expirience with various extractions if a simple basic extraction could be done on phalaris a. to yeild a tar or resinous material, for quick supply preservation/condensing, and smoking material, as in my area there is phalaris everywhere, literally surrounded. could a phalaris tek be stopped in a early sage yeilding a resinous goo/tar that could provide enlightenment, but maybe since so impure not looking for breakthrough in 2 tokes material. I am interested in the full exrt., but just for the season get a decent condensed preservable matter to work with and journey on?? I have expirienced spice in its golden crystalline form vaped 3 times and psilocybe cubensis and other strains os psych shrooms as well as LSD, 5-meo-dalt, ect. and consider myself a frequent flyer, so could you guys throw some advice/recommendations my way???

You could boil a bunch of grass down with a splash of vinegar until you get a thick resin but smoking it isn't recommended since there are other unwanted alkaloids present in phalaris, namely gramine which has been shown to cause brain damage in sheep that graze the grass.

if you can do a regular dmt extraction you can do a phalaris extraction. just do a pull with solvent before you basify to pull all the oils and shit, then clean your solvent while your material basifies and proceed as you would.

naphtha and especially room-temp limonene are recommended as solvents (they seem to pull less gramine/hordenine)

it is by no means rocket science

also i personally recommend using the q21q21 limonene/lime tek (super easy to understand, my first attempt i used it and it was successful) or if you get your hands on some fumaric acid you can make some FASW/FASA/FASI to salt with instead of vinegar (which has some impurities)

so would making the unsmokable resin a general good way of storing alkaloid rich material , in a amber glass bottle? so when ready to extract i have a nice material to begin with, instead of raw phalaris? thanks guys, i finally found a forum i can call home hopefully, the attitiude and community is so intelligent and nice, this is great,.

my answer, based on much experience working with wild arundinacea..is no.

The stuff I sent for analysis had 5meoNMT as the dominant alkloid for one thing, which is still interesting and most lilely active..but there was also way higher beta carboline levels and even so, the total ammount of alkloids in my final product from the tek I did was no even that high.

What you are planning on doing is useless. Learn how to purify alkaloids and deal with fats etc and better yet grow out a strain that has already been chosen and cultivated for its high DMT content.

Yes you can do that..you are going to have to purify it though to get something useable..and even then it is a gamble due to the many variables that come with wild arundinacea. I have picked active grasses and I have picked completely inactive grasses and have bioassayed both..never have I encountered grass that seemed to have a clean profile by any means though..nothing comparable to mimosa spice or psilocin..this is why it is best I think to grow a strain that has been chosen in the past for it's alkloid profile..like Big Medicine..or grow AQ1 or brachystachs..

Sometimes the grass can have VERY uncomfortable and undesirable effects as well..so be careful.

Here's what justin case (ref Trout's Notes on Some Simple Tryptamines) says regarding this:



Maybe, then, alcohol soak in freezer would be the best way to store phalaris if not extracting straight away.

As said before, the biggest issue, though, is that we have no idea what the particular phalaris you can find has, it may be several alkaloids. Check my signature phalaris link and the threads and publications linked in there, for much more info.

maybe then i will do the total extraction an put it aside, then go with the norm mimosa h., and go and gather psilocybe cubensis and do a extraction for cystalline 4-ho-dmt, wich by the way can you vape the freebase and get good effects ,similar to DMT and 5-MEO-DMT, or is it bettter for oral. I would like to have a tryptamine like 4-ho to vape just dont know if its efective, as im looking for a mild expirience out if it, and save the stong times for 5-meo-dmt and DMT, although psilocybin/psilocin has a unique effect on my personality, makes me feel like a kid agian, and that ive returned home after a long trip and provoking extreame wonder. so guys what do you think is 4-ho a decent vape substrate?

psilocin can be vaped, but iirc, i think it is much, much, much more difficult than a psilocybin extraction. but 200 proof ethanol soak of mushrooms, then evapped should be more than sufficient for your needs (which can be nebulized, vaporized, taken orally and presumably insufflated and taken sublingually as well)

but from what i hear the vaping of psilocin is by no means a 'mild' experience.
from what i have heard (have not tried) it is very similar to dmt in potency.

if you want an intense, yet not as intense experience as dmt, insufflation would probably be the way to go, though in all honesty i don't even know if it would work, but if it did it would probably kind of an in-between vaping and orally; but that is purely conjecture.

Is there a tek that yields vape-able psilocin?

I would love for psilocybin/psilocin in crystalline to vape, ive had success in the past getting that far, but only ingested orally, and if it would be on par visualy or close to DMT then im there. I ve mentioned before that i have had DMT vaped at 70mgs wich was a inc redible,special expirience+more times, and i had a old love affair with psilocybe cubensis, as its taught me alot about myself, its seems the classical psychs are where its at, nature doesnt mess around or screw up when it comes to wholsome immersive tryptamines, and i love her for this. thanks guys great info, i think low dose titration is in order for vaped psilocin for me. im ok with vaped spice, but always want to be cautious, ive had tons of cubensis expiriences but vaping can be very unpredictable. maybe a 60/40 mixture od 4-ho-dmt/DMT for a epic launch and anice intense trip for a while......... love this site, beutiful.

..vaporizable psilocybin from psilocybe mushrooms tek see: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/d...m=302247&#post302247..the former editor of Entheogen Review, Jim De Korne, said that this worked, and he was surprised not many people had tried it..
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