So yesterday morning I had been contemplating the nature of some of those outlandish colors that we perceive at times in hyperspace that don't seem to be completely of this world. I was thinking about there being 7 spectral colors of the rainbow, 7 notes in an octave, 7 chakras, etc...Now obviously within the rainbow itself there are more than 7 colors as there is a whole gradient of frequencies, but like with music where we have the 7 notes in a diatonic scale of the octave, we can still hear an infinite spectrum of "out of tune" pitches in between the 7 target frequencies. We can also continue the notes of the scale in either direction regardless of our ability to perceive or hear them. So even if we take a C# that's 10 octaves above the limit of human hearing, even though we can't hear it, it's still a C#, and the scales continue ever-upward. If light is as analogous to sound as I think it is, then I would expect for there to be octaves of rainbows as well. For example, with sound we can have Bb and an octave of Bb, and they're both Bb, but we still perceive them differently in the same way that I'd imagine that an octave of red would be much like red...only a bit different. It's sort of like a higher dimensional version of red.

So later in the day I smoked a small amount of DMT out of the GVG, was a bit disappointed, so I loaded up a slightly larger dose. I inhaled it in one gigantic hit (something I'm only now getting the hang of ) as a plethora of open-eyed holograms began making their way over to greet me. I've noticed over these past couple experiences that if I shift my perspective ever so slightly to make the holograms both align with themselves and myself at the same time, that it seems to give them a kind of energy to allow them to behave much more complexly and "effortlessly". I digress.

I closed my eyes and I was treated first hand to what seemed to be exactly what I had been pondering only hours earlier: a super octave rainbow. I was in this space that was very high frequency, and was one of those idealized doll house type rooms. This octave rainbow took the form of a beautiful, delicate and precious multidimensional hyper-object. It was arranged in that Fibonacci-fractal kind of style where the highest frequency color was on the smallest segment and the other 6 octave colors were on progressively larger segments that fanned out.

Everything was going fantastically as I was trying to soak up literally as much as I could from the quickly unfolding experience, when all of a sudden the octave rainbow quite literally collapsed on itself. All the colors abruptly coalesced in the center to form this black, squirming, spider-like entity that was now floating in the middle of the doll house. I didn't quite know what to make of it. On one hand it didn't seem threatening or anything like that, and on the other hand it was hijacking the trip as it seemed clear that it had initiated some kind of loop, so after a little bit I decided to open my eyes where it actually remained floating in my bedroom.

So I'm staring at the wall opposite me where the stairs are, and there was just this absolutely gigantic river of aether cascading up the stairs (yes cascading up ) and this river itself became a yet different octave rainbow. It was made up of a different assortment of hyper-colors than its even higher frequency counterpart that had started off the experience. This went on for a little while as I took it all in, tried to enjoy every moment and collect as much information as possible.

Being interested in music and octaves, that was extremely INTERESTING! What a unique theory to have thought of, I envy it. Hahaha. I think I am going to try and get myself in that frame of mind tonight too

Stay well man, see you around!!

A very interesting perspective octaves of colour. I like that a lot, if only i could visualize such a thing

It's not an entirely crazy idea. The ancient Greek sophists believed that the colours, musical notes, days of the week and the planets were connected by the number seven. Aristotle proposed seven primary colours from which all other colours could be composed. Even in Newton's time vestiges of the old tradition remained in the way he approached defining the colour spectrum:



Notice that the capital letters around the edge of the circle from red to violet spell out each of the musical notes - this is a Dorian mode scale. The Dorian mode had been chosen for the convenient property that the two colours most similar to their neighbours - orange (between red and yellow) and indigo (between blue and violet) corresponded with the half-step movements in the scale (from E to F and from B to C).

Similar to how progress in astronomy exposed the false parallel to the number of planets, the coincidence of seven colours in the rainbow and seven musical notes turned out to be a dead end when the anatomy of vision was studied in detail. Unlike sound, we do not perceive the frequency of light directly. There are three different types of light receptor in our retinas responding to three different and narrow frequency bands. These are the real primary colours, and there are only three of them.

The result for us is that relations in light frequencies based on the seven note scale are probably not going to have any special importance in creating harmony. The visible spectrum spans nearly one "octave", so you can try it yourself: deep violet is approximately the same "note" as red, but one octave higher. The "perfect fifth" over red is cyan, the colour between green and blue. These colours are nice enough, but they certainly don't have such a striking consonance as do the equivalent musical notes. This is because our ears are designed to recognise a spectrum of pitches, whereas our eyes are designed to recognise the intensity of stimulation to receptors that are only receptive to one of three "primary" colours.

On the other hand, the brain could be doing anything with that information.

This theory probably fails to work if it were applied in another culture, such as ones who use 10-note scales, 12-note scales, or musical scales with less harmonic relations (eg. some African and Middle-Eastern regions). Not to be a party pooper...

In regards to 12-note scales, 12 chromatic tones belong to the same octave as 7 diatonic tones in the same way that there are other colors in the rainbow other than the "spectral colors". I have many experiences with Egyptian imagery expressing concepts of harmony, and I know that the Egyptians employed 7 tones as well.

Regardless of the amount of notes in a scale, octaves exist regardless based on their mathematical relationships of a 2:1 ratio in the frequencies of the two notes. The term octave itself implies 8 notes (with the 1st and 8th note being the same/octave) based on its root oct referring to 8. I don't believe you're a party pooper at all.

I don't know if this relates, but if a frequency of sound becomes so high that it ranges in the frequency of light, could a sound itself propogate light? And vice versa, because then there would be a whole new aspect of experiencing sound and colors.

Nope, audible sound and visible light are not just different frequencies, they're different spectra entirely. A sound wave is a mechanical vibration of oscillating pressure. A light wave oscillates in an electromagnetic field. No matter how high frequency or loud your sound is, it will never become a electromagnetic wave.

If you could then it would be extremely high pitched. You would need to extend a piano by 41 octaves - some 492 keys! - from middle C to reach these notes.

If you go further up or down the electromagnetic spectrum you get infra red or ultra violet. Both of these are generally outside of our spectrum, although i read the other week about someone who had an eye injury and was able to see ultraviolet, pretty amazing!

If you go further, there's radio waves, microwaves, x rays, gamma rays etc. We have telescopes in space that can see all through the electromagnetic spectrum, and scientists use computers to normalise the images so that we can see them in visible light and interpret them. I can't imagine what a colour would look like in this frequency range, there's no way to even imagine it. Fascinating thought tho, i always wished that i had super vision that could see in different spectrums. Although we might not always like what we see, the world would be a very different place with this sort of vision.

It's true that the computers may normalize the images of the electromagnetic spectrum from outside the visible light spectrum, but they're simply mapping the only colors we can perceive onto the EM spectrum. What my theory posits is that if we could see into the x-ray range, that we would most likely break down various portions of it into rainbow-like octaves of the rainbow with which we are familiar. Corresponding octave colors would be similar, yet unique.

Double post... sorry

Global I love what’s written here , so might I add to the ceremony of viewpoints

Maybe the electromagnetic spectrum relates to the 14 Lokas of the ancient Jain cosmology and that time is relative to a certain plane of existence

And when we use such things like dmt , we indeed shift higher or lower parts of the spectrum with perception ...

And I guess this is the same for Psilocybin , LSD and Peyote and other ‘entheogen’ ...
and I believe the real Roswell episode was actually regarding perception enhancing experiments of such time and that what they found within these realms we’re higher beings residing in different parts of the electromagnetic
And upon saying that there is an apparent fbi memo on such similar event , and the scene from close encounters where they used sounds to communicate , that to me was very mushroom like ..

It’s all electromagnetic , that’s the impression I get when under their influences , but in more ways than we can possibly imagine both visually and acoustically

You mention X-ray
And as for the X-ray range I have a notable memory on dmt , I could see through my skin , granted a layer of film embued in a language coated over my skin (actually I’ve to arrived at the realisation that this is upon everything , like the language of matter) then I came to realisation this is how maybe the shaman heals , by taking this further , is able to see the electromagnetic field around the body and can pinpoint blocked or in balanced flows of such energy , which also led me to the idea that matter itself is central to the field of all visible light , as in this default everyday perception ...

The Buddhas mark this bandwidth and default aspect of the spectrum as the best one to achieve enlightenment....

Happy new year !

um... I just noticed this is from 2012. Why exactly was it resurrected? It's generally frowned upon to do this, unless there's real good reason to do so.

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I don't think we really need to address the physics and biology of color perception, as subjective experiences are much more important in psychonautica than how they relate to consensus reality. It's definitely interesting to theorize a form of vision that would be closer to hearing in the way it interprets frequencies.

Now about music, it's a bit more complicated than that. The 7-tone diatonic scale was actively, consciously constructed. Most primitive musical systems are in fact pentatonic (utilize 5 tones), so it's not unlikely that we have a built-in preference for five, not seven musical tones. Also, while most music relies on the harmonic series, this connection isn't exactly uncomplicated.

From Wikipedia:

As it comes up here too, the equal temperament (or rather, temperament as a thing to begin with) really complicates stuff. This is due to the fact that our musical mind doesn't think in scales, it thinks in intervals and chords. And these don't line up unproblematically with scales (hence temperament, hence all the complexity).

I’m not so sure , altihough I just googled , electromagnetic spectrum and psychedelics and landed me to this post and many others
And to somewhat tie in the cosmology of the ancient Jains 7 Loka up and 7 loka down ,system of planes of existence
Which all could coincides with octave and waveform
My apologies

And also , Whilst I’m here , enjoy this read http://psychedelic-infor...mits-of-Human-Perception

and thanks for your comment , interesting , it’s all related , from simple standing waves in music production when Eqing or instrument placement , to chord and note structure , all the way , to radio waves , to octaves lower and higher the waveform cycles of the frequency for things to be received and sent ....

But , let’s think here and take this one seriously that metaphysically, first there was the sound , the om I presume that resonates to atom and the Atman that is housed within

Edit I think I’m confusing threads like the nexus newb I am ....

Personally I am convinced that there was energy before the atom, and there was Spirit ('love', 'understanding', 'consciousness' ) before energy.