Hello people,

To cut a long story short, a while ago I brewed a super brew that was much more than I bargained for. The post describing it is here: The brew that blew my mind.

Basically, the brew was much more light-heavy than I was expecting, as the first time I must have brewed the chaliponga I did it wrong. This time though, I was very thorough, and it REALLY worked.

Due to responsibilities in my life, the brew has been sat in my refrigerator ever since. It still looks fine though, and only has a very slight trace of alcoholic scent, which I will boil off.

RIGHT, to the question. I am in the process of doing my first rue extraction, so I was wondering about the feasability of combining some extracted haramalas with the vine brew, and therefore needing less of it. Really I should have brewed seperately and I wouldnt be having this problem but, you live, you learn.

I think there will be sufficient amount of light in perhaps 25g of the vine brew (last time I took 50 - WAY too light heavy, impossible to process), but probably not enough harmala's to have a beneficial (ie not completely haywire) experience.

So, can anyone more experienced than I suggest how much rue harmala's to add to 25g of this brew, for a nice balanced experience? Or, is mixing the two harmala plants not to be advised at all?

Additionally, as I have only just made the rue tea, would drinking some of that be prefferable to finishing the extraction and using extracts?

Any help will be very appreciated,

Thank you

try addinng about 100mg oer serving then, prefered harmala ratios is quite different for all of us,

personally i like about 300mg of crude rue extract with 50-100mg dmt.

So you think they will not have any negative consequences when mixed?

Also, tea or extract (with the rue)?

I certainly like more harmalas than what is in there now. Heavy harmalas are way nicer IMO

There shouldn't be any problems with mixing the alks, especially if you're already somewhat used to rue harmalas.

I prefer a harmala heavy blend myself. I second Shroomtrolls' advice of 100mg per serving. That shouldn't be too overkill depending on how potent the brew already is. I wouldn't go over 200mg per serving though, 200mg alone is enough to keep me in one place for a little while.

I dunno seems like adding rue would make it even WAY crazier...


I know it's not a traditional method but I usually brew two separate concoctions one for MAOI and on for DMT... I just find it makes it easier to dose myself properly well and balanced like...+ I believe I get more out of the brew this way as far as number of doses go.

Yes, I realise this. Please see first post, paragraph 4..."Really I should have brewed seperately and I wouldnt be having this problem but, you live, you learn."

In defence of my short-sightedness, I genuinelly thought the chaliponga that I added into it was inert...it was on offer and had failed once before. I thought it would be 'background' at best. I was wrong. It seems the supplier was so darn good they were practically giving away some very strong leaves

On the plus side, I do have a very strong brew, with a great many good doses...

I think more rue will add some much needed grounding. WIll of course reduce the amount of caapi/chali brew I will consume. I wont be adding the rue on top of the first dose that I had. That would, indeed, become very crazy, very quickly.

For advice of 100mg, thank you Shroomtroll and Melodic.

100mg of harmalas would be approximate to about 2-4g of tea, right? Still uncertain which way to go with this...that, and I really need to invest in some better scales before dosing very small. (of which I am on the case)

Depending on the quality of the rue, I'd say 250mg is comparable to 3-4g of raw seeds. You mileage may vary on that. I'd say that 100mg is around 2g of seeds on average. Just enough to ground and synergize with the caapi. Either way, be safe and I hope you have a pleasant journey.

OK, many thanks again. Will report back as and when

why not make a caapi only brew and then just add it with your finished product??

Because that would mean buying more caapi...I have plenty of caapi already brewed up to be getting on with. Too much, some might say. Trouble is, its all mixed with a rather heavy dose of chaliponga (which is going to be weird whatever happens, I'm sure)

Also, I've already made the rue tea, and have loads of that to consume/extract with.

Will see how it goes with the rue. If it's a disaster, I will indeed (have to) get more vine.

Not that that can ever be a bad thing, but summer squeezes the finances as it is.

Update.

So, it worked! In fact, it worked a treat. The harmalas did seem to add to each other.

2g of rue was consumed with 30g of the caapi mixture about 20 mins later.

Very very strong haramala effect, lasting approximately 12 hours, strong tracers for 10 or so hours.

Totally incapacitated the whole time.

As for the light, it worked well, though was much more manageable. I think I may have broken through at one point, though can't remember it. It may have been a dream.

It was uncomfortably intense before the purge. After purge was totally blissful.

It was the most long-lasting, transformative, most beautiful and most (eventually) blissful Ayahuasca experiences I have had to date. This could have been helped along by the plantetary alignment.

One interesting note. When I was getting told things. I was sometimes getting told contradicting things. Like one 'voice' would say one thing, and the other would say another. I had to decide which one I thought was 'true'. One was totally caring and loving, and the other was a bit mischevious, though I sensed superficially...

Make of this what you will.

Anyway, looks like I have a winning recipe! Don't fear the synergy

Did you boil it off? Just thought I would throw it out there, when i was in Peru working with a Shipibo who comes from a a long line of Currenderros on both sides of his family.

We stored the Aya in bottles in the maloka, no refrigeration, and the longer it was left to ferment the "stronger" it got. The Maestro, said it was stronger as a medicine after it had fermented some.

As to the potency, its hard to say because the same dose of the same medicine 3 days apart is drastically different for me. I think the Icaros, the cosmos, personal quirks, but the same aya always seems to be different to me

Main point of my post, ethanol in the mix may not be so bad. Ananda Bossman theorizes that the ethanol in the blood stream helps harmalas and DMT get across the Blood Brain Barrier more easily.... not that either of them have trouble witht he BBB