Would you make the pilgrimage to meet those who you have come to know in this place. Fellow brothers who seek, many who have followed divergent paths that all inevitably lead to the same goal. Evolution of the self.

I often wonder if we who are willing to let go, make the supreme sacrifice, breaking the mind of the self to see that which lays beyond. Would such a mind be willing to take a second step and make a commitment to sacrifice life and being to complete the journey that we have all set foot on?

Is this a hobby, or is it a sole definition of being? Are those who come here seeking a way of escape or answers to questions that confound, nay torment, the soul. I ask what manner of person are you? Why do you come here and why do you take such extreme measures?

And again are you willing to take even more extreme measures? I am most notably curious as to the mind of those who are attracted to this drug. It is most extreme to take of the spice, beyond any psychedelic. Only a mind so desperate in seeking would take such a risk.

I guess, distilled, my question be, how far are you willing to go, what sacrifices are you willing to make? How desperate is the need to find the answers that you do so seek, ones that has brought you to this place.

How important are those answers you so seek, how tormented of mind are you to take such extreme measures and how far are you willing to go to find such answer?

I only ask to know the minds of those who come here looking for truth in a place of deception, DMT as it were is a drug that gives more questions than it does answers but to take such a leap is in my mind a step of courage. To let go control of the self and to see that which lies beyond.

well if push came to shove i might consider sacrificing a ram at the bow of a longship for asator to bless me with good weather...


as far as taking things seriously i can only recommend against it.

My journey has been long... My trips less frequent with time, age and fatherhood... But the remaining experiences are far more potent and significant. I feel that I'm best off having faith that I will learn what I am meant to; I'm at peace with what I'm shown or not shown.

So: I'm very, very curious, and my mind is in this space a good deal of the time, exploring every angle. Desperate? No, I believe I have found enough peace to enjoy the great puzzle no matter where it takes me.

I am not seeking anything in particular from DMT, other than spiritual growth and maintaining a healthy relationship to the universe. I am a student of the universe and am always happy to take whatever experience I am given, whether it feels particularly negative or positive. I will put in hard work to maintain this relationship and have these experiences and teachings, but not at the expense of another being's discomfort, misery or life. I do have questions, which I would totally love to have a definitive answer to, but I know that I cannot know all of the answers while living in this body. I am happy to wait and experience the answers when they are ready to come to me

As far as taking my own life to see beyond the void and answer the questions I seek answers to, well this life is part of my spiritual journey and I think its very important to let it run its due course in order to be able to grasp the answers when we finally come to them

Too me this plant is the holy grail. It has done wonders for me which i could of never dreamed of, or some which i cannot describe. Almost enabling one with the means to program and fine tune their own brain to ones own desired specifics, resulting in the chance of surpassing ones current mental limit, over and over again. More curious than desperate I'd think.

"You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes." -Morpheus

this movie quote sums up my mentality towards using this precious plant pretty well.

I will admit I was sort of desperate. I felt I needed a tool. A hatchet to cut through all the information overload of the world religions, atheism, science, guru, theorists...etc.

The only thing I am willing to sacrifice is my ignorance. I was quite taken a back at the shear depth of how ignorant I was about even my own ignorance! I feel slowly the more I grow the more ignorance shrinks. Its quite fascinating how my preconceived notions are shrinking, my old prejudices are shrinking, my fear has been shrinking, almost anything that stems from my utter Ignorance is slowly being lost.

As far as sacrificing anything beyond that I wouldn't want to steal from us/we/me/you/all/nothing perfectly good experiences.

Well, i can't say I am 100% certain what you are driving at here, but I will try to give my opinions on what you have written based on how I understand it...



What is 'think place'? Did you mean 'this place' or is this another way of referring to hyperspace or something else that i am not familiar with?



My question would be why? Why would anyone sacrifice their life, which I hold as a blessing, just to "see that which lays beyond" - it seems silly to end it all just to satisfy your curiosity, considering that we are all going to die anyway at some point. When I die, I die, I have come to terms with the fact this is a finite existence, and I am enjoying the ride at the moment, so why end it?



Elements of this are a hobby - researching plants, extraction teks, different compounds of interest etc, other elements are / can be serious business. You could argue that this path is less of a commitment AND more fulfilling than practicing within an organised religion.



This is an interesting question. Is DMT more extreme than Ibogaine? or Salvia? or even certain synthetics such as DPT? I don't think I am desperate for 'answers', I am not a desperate person, curious, yes, in spades. I am also aware that I am far from perfect and use these substances as agents of change, they refresh my perspective and grant me a fresh set of eyes when I need them most.



For what? For me these are tools to show that there is more to life, which in turn enriches life - and makes me want to live it more fully. material possessions, sure I would shed them without too much trauma, family / friends / my own life is far more valuable and i would be far more reluctant to tread that lonely path. Balance is key with all aspects of life.



I would argue that there is no need to torment one's mind - and if this is the case, then maybe the individual should address the way in which they view these things. What is the point of stressing one's self out with unanswerable questions? Why can't one experience these things and revel, celebrate their ability to perceive, if only for a brief moment? What is so tormenting about communing with the divine?

Wouldn't give everything up yet. It's much more than a hobby but still at the same time, just that.

The question is so overwrought with melodrama that it's difficult to understand what you're actually asking. Is your question are people ready to die? If so, the answer is immaterial. We all will (I'm pretty sure...), and at precisely the moment the time arrives for each and every one of us.

As for me, I can't say as I'm in a real big hurry to get there. Life's an adventure, and I think I'll stick around to see what happens next. Are psychedelics "my sole definition of being"? Not by a long shot, thank god. They're a tool; a powerful and useful tool that I respect and value greatly, but still just a tool nevertheless. If the tail wags the dog and they somehow become your sole definition of being, I submit to you the possibility that you should seek out some other hobbies.

So, what manner of person am I? I guess I'm one who takes myself a lot less seriously than you do.

*aspiration*

at least as adabtable
as a twelve-bar blues
or maybe
the Bo Diddley beat,
no more rigid than
the density of marrow
requires


something i wrote a long time ago, i think maybe to answer your question with, today... but then, maybe not...

I seek unification with the source #1 & understanding of my humanity #2. I don't know if DMT has any place in those searches, but that's what I'm trying to ascertain.

Oh drugs, thou harbinger of great sorrow and profound euphoria. Would that I could rip my loins atwain for just one instant, nay, one tenth of an instant inside the vast reaches of your tender embrace. Oh but for this life, I would give thee my very soul.

Just thought I would try my hand at this Shakespearean thing. I guess I am not as serious about this as others, though I do use Psychedelics with respect and try to gain as much from them as I can.

Hell no!
I simply lead a double life, the first ( and most important) is a married family man with two children, a business, commitments up to my eyeballs, and a clear sense that life is an endurance test, to be endured until a natural demise occurs.

The second: a philandering sex addict who experiments with various substances for purposes of relieving the boredom the first ( and most important) life induces.

Not poetic I admit, but the truth.

That's good stuff. Oh, tripping balls, thine fruit of my nutsack...

I am a case that I am curious about. I smoke dmt everyday. For me it is not a drug it is a lifestyle. I never taste it, it goes down smooth and I've mastered hitting the pipe while others have difficulty. I do it a couple of times a day. I play music on dmt, I drive on dmt, I have been in class on dmt. I bascially just live dmt. I have noticed that at moderate doses(Im talking about contorlled oil burner hits not blasting off) when your eyes are open it seems to have evolved your world into what can only be called the future, "alien" even. I have noticed that I myself and everyone around me looks like beings, still recognizable as who they are but more divine or "supreme" Sometimes I feel i see people for who they really are. I have also notcied that you can become different forms of alien and each with higher thinking levels as you increase the intensity. I see myself become the same forms multiple times in the same order. I believe that dmt is a power, a force, the energy of life, evolution, the future, a portal, higher intelligence, god. I am never fearful at the feeling of dmt. I feel as if I welcome it, almost as if I have harnessed the power and can control it. Anyone else a dmt alien like me? I'm new here by the way and very glad to be part of this!

And... that's all I need to see.

Take it on over to the shroomery.

Bye bye.

KO

Not seriously enough.

I continue infrequent use with other psychedelics mainly for social/creative reasons, but I've put myself on hiatus with what I believe to be my most efficient tool for my search of my inner self for the reason stated above.

I guess in a way I lost my respect. Not the respect I intend and hold in my heart that I know to be true and deserved, but the respect I actually demonstrate in reality. Over the last couple of years I went through a few dark patches and what I was getting out of my DMT experiences reflected that in conjunction with a fading but prominent alcoholism... no need to say more on that matter as it pretty much writes itself. Anyway's I'm no longer a regular drinker and have no need to escape using that mechanism, but when I do drink I have moderation problems so until I'm confident I have control of that, I have all my DMT and smoking equipment in the care of a loving friend.

Besides all that, I do very much consider myself a servant of it with the same hand that I carry my faith in the human. There are people out there who can no doubt benefit from a good influence in the use of this sacrement and aside from my own personal abuse, those close to me can tell you that they know of no better person to relay this information to the just and deserving. For that reason, no I would not sacrifice myself, nor could I think of a good reason why I would.

I believe what we do here is probably as far as this should go in this present day reality. The information is there for those who seek it and the good people who maintain this information are frequently available to help.

If you're talking about setting up some kind of paradise for psychonaut's, at this stage in my life Id have to say it's too soon. There is much I have to do in this place before I give it all up and too many close to me that wouldn't understand. This goes way beyond being a hobby at its core. I say that as it is a hobby in the way I constantly research recipe's and preparation of food, but underneath all that, it's essential that I eat.

All that in mind though, I will admit that this world is lonely. I have very few, perhaps maybe no one in my direct life that understands me and I believe that understanding of this culture and the experiences within it hold a key to the part of me that is missing for them. My family all know that I use this substance in particular, but any curiosity is just blocked out with fear of what is essentially to them an outsider culture. So an outsider I remain.

However... Rabbit holes are interesting things.

It helps me to get emotional perspective. Without it I would certainly be more of a confused monkey than I am now. It is invaluable, but how much is it worth?

I hope I never have to find out.

Well I'm not willing to sacrifice my life for it. I find psychedelics to be ONE avenue of conscious exploration. Yes the DMT rabbit hole is deep, but it is also EXTREMELY temporary. The only way to claim benefit from psychedelics is to reflect said benefit in your life through action. This is were it gets tricky and often times hard. You still have to do all the work to move towards that goal yourself. Psychedelics can help humble you and inspire you. But they are only tools. After all it is only a perception. Is it any more or less real than the rest of this?

At the end of the day it comes down to this. We can spend our lives living or we can spend our lives dying. We are all just tiny isolated little nodes of consciousness floating on a blue dot in a vast sea of black.

My goal is to realize the sacred in everything at all times while still being integrated into the world around me. The less I have to use tools like psychedelics to achieve those goals the better.

Peace.