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#1 Posted : 5/10/2012 1:46:52 AM
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>>>Disclaimer>>This following is just my opinion, individual results may vary and of course hyperspace may also vary accordingly.


Over the years I have implied different types of meditation techniques in order to reach elevated states of awareness during the psychedelic experience.

From my experience, one of the most fascinating of these methods for me is something I refer to as "Gazing".

It's something I became very efficient at during LSD and Mescaline journeys that took place early in my psychedelic career of knowledge,

I found that with the aid of a mirror I could use this technique to do unimaginable things such seeing visions the future and communing with disembodied spirits.

The technique is quite simple...It's not "staring" per say, it's looking with absolutely no thoughts, or a completely blank mind.

The Idea behind it is that everything in the universe including our selves exists "as it is"
That is to say...everything exists "as it is" aside from the interpretation of our senses.

Once we begin processing the input of visual information that we receive by "having thoughts" then everything ceases to be "as it is" and therefore becomes as you perceive it to be.

Authors Aldous Huxley and Carlos Castaneda put forth the same proposition that our sensory functions can be by-passed in order to free up the flow of cosmic information into our brains. Huxley called it opening the cerebral reducing valve and Castaneda called it "seeing" or "perceiving energy as it flows in the universe"

What it all boils down to is turning off your thoughts so that you transform into pure awareness. This enables a person to view the universe as it actually is... separate from our individual subjective interpretation of it.

It is also possible to imply this technique with multiple participants..
I have shared identical visions with people doing this.

(let me just say that the mirror technique is a downright dangerous one and should only be attempted by a very "grounded" individuals.)

So in conclusion I believe that learning to "see" has opened doors for me that enable me to get even more incredible visuals from DMT and Ayahuasca than had I never learned this technique.



So I was wondering if any one else has used this technique successively . Or had any input that they would like to share.





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#2 Posted : 5/10/2012 12:45:26 PM
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And you attempt this on a sober mind? Ive never heard of it but i love to observe things quietly so i will try it.. And tips on how to abandon all thought? It isnt that easy to do haha
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#4 Posted : 5/10/2012 2:23:22 PM

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I'd also be interested in some advice on your method of achieving "absolutely no thoughts, or a completely blank mind.". I have meditated several times and mostly what it showed me is that my mind is racing constantly and even sitting for a moment and trying to experience the experience of thinking (as opposed to just being caught up in the content of your thoughts) is a very difficult thing to do. The idea of actually managing to completely silence your inner monologue seems very interesting.
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#5 Posted : 5/10/2012 4:12:08 PM
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I have trouble sitting with my eyes closed and meditating and clearing my mind.I find this interesting since I have been able to do what you described most of my life with/without drugs.For me it seems to work with anything as long as its not to distracting.For example I will sometimes focus on something and just gaze (or stare at it)until my eyes start to relax and eventually whatever it is I am viewing starts to disappear and I do get a feeling of my mind being cleared of conscious thoughts.

I used to think I was daydreaming but now that you mention it I am thinking very little if at all.I will experiment with this more and report anything interesting.
 
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#6 Posted : 5/10/2012 5:15:31 PM
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HEY thanks for responding you all....

I'm at work right now..so i can't get into good detail here

Anyways I intend on sharing some "silence teks" with everyone out there in DMT land

I will post them later today.
And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not percieve the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "brother let me remove the speck from your eye", when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye?-Yeshua ben Yoseph
 
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#7 Posted : 5/11/2012 8:22:38 PM
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Re-training your thoughts

Based upon my experience with psychedelics, some of the most radiant jewels of knowledge I have come across during my travels seem to come from very simple concepts.

The technique known as "gazing" is without a doubt one of the most powerful and effective methods of intentionally altering ones own level of consciousness that I know of. As an musician and artist "Gazing" been more than helpful to me.

I would ask any reader of this post to please indulge me for a moment while I attempt to further expound on the fundamentals behind this theory. I strongly believe that understanding the particular mechanisms behind what makes gazing work is very important to being able to effectively harness this ability.

Think for a moment about existence, I would imagine most of us here have all pondered at one time or another as to the meaning of our own personal existences. (psychedelics tend to make one do that.)

(I understand that individual definitions of the word existence may vary, please try to follow my definition of the word however, strictly for the purposes of illustration)

I would personally define existence as the act of being alive. For a human being to be properly "alive" in my opinion, requires the human to pay attention to their surroundings.

-So by this rationality...constant and unchecked internal dialogue serves to hinder the prime functions of human awareness.

Consider this-
How far would you make it in this world if you paid absolutely zero attention to your surroundings? Therefore it is safe to assume that as a human being it is necessary to pay attention to your surroundings in order to survive.

Ponder this as well-
If you are thinking to yourself habitually inside your head, how can you be fully "aware" of your surroundings?

I believe that if a person is having any thoughts whatsoever then they are only partially aware of there surroundings at best.

From my observation human beings generally ONLY pay close attention to their surroundings as a way to aid in their survival

So what I am proposing here is that I believe a human being can directly affect the degree of their awareness by learning to have a greater degree of discipline and control over their thought own process..

Now I am not at all suggesting that we just do away with thoughts altogether. I see nothing wrong with utilizing the functionality of our thoughts.

What I am saying however is that we take back control of our thoughts.

There is nothing to be gained by being permanently stuck in a habitual thought process loop. Like any addiction it is unhealthy for the mind body and spirit.

If you remember back as far as you can to the very beginning of your life you may even be able to recall some of your very first thoughts and why you had them.

For me personally I remember my first thoughts around the age of 3 or 4 occurring because I became angry about not being able to write my name the way grown ups had shown me.

My point is...Human beings were not meant to have thoughts. It is my belief that we as humans were designed to function as a silent apparatus at one with pure instinct instead of locked in a cumbersome system of constant over-analysis.

According to my viewpoint....
The story of Adam and Eve's famous fall from paradise" is an basically an allegory that eloquently describes what happened when humankind began habitually thinking to itself and lost touch with their natural connection to "The Creator". Whatever your beliefs, I believe certain metaphors are somewhat universal.

Silence is said to be the key to the doors of perception in just about every major ancient mystical philosophy I can think of.

From a more scientific point of view I believe that Inner silence helps to precipitate endogenous DMT release...this is why the silence technique is so very "visually" effective while on LSD or Mescaline.


--------------------------------------------------------------------- These are the different methods I have employed in order to reach states of inner silence.

First of all to answer the question of "can you do this sober?"
Yes. I can but it takes a good deal of effort more than it does while on psychedelics or Ganja.

Also I don't think I would have been able to do it while sober had I not practiced it while tripping first. Honestly I am stoned most of the time so I have rarely attempted sober meditation but that is a behavior flaw I'm working on....


As I have mentioned, LSD and mescaline work best to practice this technique with. I also believe that because Unlike DMT, Huasca and psilocybin, LSD and mescaline do not contain or resemble DMT. This means that endogenous DMT release while under the influence of mescaline or LSD creates a "special synergy".


Another reason LSD & MESC for gazing works so well is because of their stimulant like properties. It is just allot more comfortable to keep your eyes open for long periods of time on those substances.

By the same token I believe that if you become efficient at releasing your "own" DMT via gazing then that skill does help one let go and witness properly during the DMT experience increasing the vividness of the visuals by 100 fold.

One reason is most likely because of their stimulant like properties. It is just alot easier to keep your eyes open for long periods of time on those substances.


-Silent walk
This method is how I first got started and I do believe it is easiest way for beginners. it involves taking a nice quite walk by yourself.
The walker curls his fingers ever so slightly at the same time they keep their slightly unfocused eyes on the horizon. Also it is good to concentrate intensely on the sounds especially if they are nature like.

The idea here is to complete fill your senses to the point where there is no more sensory room to talk to yourself inside your head. This is one of the main techniques...that is to fill your senses with "existence" to the point where it is difficult to think anymore.

It's sort of akin to holding your breath underwater at first...you feel like your going to suffocate if you don't have a thought but eventually after you practice sustaining inner silence enough your brain changes gears and you find your comfort zone....It also gets allot easier to do after you begin experiencing paranormal types of visual phenomenon.

It is at this point when inner silence finally becomes a downhill battle....
when you find that it is actually more natural to be silent than it is to constantly think...


If you imagine for a moment that a human is like a machine and that it as a machine it only has so much energy to perform it's necessary functions,,,,

Using this analogy I am saying that it takes way more energy to have constant internal dialogue than it does to have to simply exist and have no thoughts. Once you "feel" the difference you will not want to think habitually again.

...there is no smoother and more economically running human machine than a inwardly silent human machine,

At the end of the day, it all boils down to breaking the oldest habit you have, perpetual internal dialogue. This can be difficult, even seem impossible at times but the key to this is realizing that ultimately it is just a habit and like any habit or addiction the number one tendency is to get nervous or feel uncomfortable when we attempt to stop the habit...

sort of like what happens when you yank the pacifier out of a sleeping infants mouth.



In "Gazing" another very effective method is to use a mirror along with a candle...

Before "mirror technology" ancient people would use various natural shiny surfaces to gaze upon. Things such as polished precious stones, metals or the sparkling surface of river water. The idea is to find something that captures your attention to the point where you cease to think. Most anything that you find to be hypnotically mesmerizing will work, even a beautiful tree works well to gaze upon...

Mirror gazing is by far one of the most potentially hazardous activities I know of..

Unless you are prepared to do battle with the darkest parts of your own psyche then don't mess around with this. K?

One has to gaze upon the surface of the mirror in a way that can be best described as looking without "staring". Staring is something that must be avoided.

I look at the entire mirror at once and to not focus my gaze on any particular one point, I create sort of a 180 degree peripheral vision for myself. Also I don't focus on my left eye but I do try to notice as it seems this is where most of the visions emenate from.

Once you have a comfortable gaze going, then comes the time to try and hold to inner silence and shut your thoughts off comepletely,,,
Do not have thoughts about not having thoughts either....

This is the point when your thoughts will actually try and defend themselves...If you do this enough you will find that your thoughts have they're own seperate awarenes and it will stop at nothing to foil your mission of silence,

This resistant force is something known as the "guardian" or "the foriegn installation". I'm not going to get to theological here so I will refer to this force as being simply a highly efficient spiritiual predator.

THis "predator" feeds off of negative energy.

It is intimately linked to each one of us from the time of our first thought. What it does is manipulate human beings perception of the world by controlling thier thought patterns in order to turn that human being into a "milk-cow" of negative enegry.

When you make your stand of silence the predator will see this as an action that threatens it's food source. This is because if you have inner silence the predator has nothing to work with and eventually must flee you. The predator is actually revolted by the vibrations that a silent human emits.

So the gardian is something that must be overcome if one desires to use the mirror. The predator is easy enough to beat becasue the only thing required to beat him is inner silence,

The only problem is the predator has thousands if not millions of years of experience vs. a human beings extreme rookie status. So as you can imagine it isn't to hard for the Predator to outsmart us most of the time. So that's why I say don't try this unless you have your bearings straight. The predator would rather make you kill your own self off than let you win.

So if you beat the predator the veil will be lifted so to speak and your third eye will be free to navigate the terrain of space and time like a psychedelic periscope in the sea of infinity.....

I have witnessed the anatomy of the human soul and countless visions this way.

The tendency may be to see visions of the future...if you see this then let it happen but take my advice and don't go trying to "peer" into the future out of insecurities of you will end up facing a new enemy...that of your own power. Nostradomus step back!

((with apologies to Carlos Castaneda for borrowing some of his ideas)
And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not percieve the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "brother let me remove the speck from your eye", when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye?-Yeshua ben Yoseph
 
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I can confirm this works... this was a natural habit I formed on LSD. I go for a walk in central park then I go over the bridge over the lake and I start to gaze at the suns reflection in the water. Then my thoughts are gone the glare is so beautiful it stars to induce amazing visions.I want to go in more depth but I have to run got yoga class lol...
 
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its a great thing to experience life without the constant commentary/judgments of the mind. turning off the minds mouth and opening its ears lets in a lot of wisdom. I believe jesus said something along the lines of: "he who hath ears, let him listen"
 
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#10 Posted : 5/12/2012 12:43:32 AM
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Dear MOOSHY PEACHES..


Good name! I love eating peaches on Ayahuasca.

Thank you for quoting the Messiah.... I appreciate DMT users like you that understand the hidden connection between Yeshua ben Yaweh and DMT in my.

Few people understand that he is the ultimate Shaman of all time. Of course that is just my take on it!!

Thanks-



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Why do you say you think the mirror technique would be bad for beginners?
I have tried this a couple times, the mirror, but maybe a slight trance, what have you seen mostly?

Sounds a lot like scrying, i have tried different types of meditation and i am not very good.

But i find it easiest when i am tired.



This video clip is very good for people who want to begin meditation, it is a bases a very good look.

http://www.higherbalance...cover/city-meditation-3/
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#12 Posted : 5/12/2012 11:11:52 AM
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I find gazing gives me retina screen burn lol
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i find art to be really good for losing all thought. If you're all caught up in an art-piece there's very little and sometimes no thoughts. Same goes for looking at plants and nature, focusing on the the complex fractal-like details and continuously wandering and exploring with the eye. very peaceful feeling and high awareness.

I think it's very similar to what you do with your technique. And yeah, practicing this makes cruising in hyperspace even more enjoyable Smile
 
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So I read on the net about gazing to contact the dead. Look it up. You have a dark room, mirror and a candle. Place the candle in between you and the mirror.
Stare in the mirror at your face, blink only when needed. You will eventually see your face morph into someone you are trying to contact if you think about them while doing this.
I am sure you can use this for meditating too. Experiment with the candle behind you, or in the daytime.

I tied contacting someone who had passed. Sadly it didn't work. But never tried it again.
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I have definitely used it to communicate with "departed" souls.


Smerrel
I agree 100%...without silence I would not be motivated to make music properly. By the same token creating music helps me hold inner silent like known other...

.It's like the fuel that feed feeds the fire is the fire that feeds the fuel.


Entheojen said...
"I find gazing gives me retina screen burn lol"

Very true, this is part of the reason it I beleive is difficult for me to do while on mushrooms, my eyes dry out easier.

But somehow Mescaline or LSD seem to numb this effect..and I can hold my eyes open for very long periods of time...and it doesn't seem to hurt....
,,,, at least until the next day/

I think it also worth mentioning that Gazing at other objects besides mirrors is also very interesting.....

tree gazing....cloud gazing....water gazing....star gazing. are also equally incredible
(possibly equally dangerous too)


sidefx Wrote:

"Why do you say you think the mirror technique would be bad for beginners?
I have tried this a couple times, the mirror, but maybe a slight trance, what have you seen mostly?

Well with a slight trace it is probably a safe exorcise..but if you add LSD or Mescaline to the mix....the stakes definitely go up quite a few notches...

Gather round the campfire everyone....
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I will hold a flashlight up under my face so I look good and spooky and then I will tell you all what I have seen...in the mirror...

seriously though....I'm not not trying to be all scary or anything by telling horror stories but this really happened to me..

Once upon a time a close friend of mine became "possessed" by "dark entities" while we were on LSD and gazing in the mirror together.

This quickly became very bad situation where the person who was "possessed" had a high caliber handgun within arms reach under the bed..(let me mention this happened years ago while I was a not so bright youth)

Anyways, this friend of mine proceeded to threaten to kill "everyone" as well as his self..
it took me about 3-4 hours of the most delicate negotiations I had ever been through in my life....eventually the negotiations turned into what basically amounted to an exorcism that I had to "figure out" how to do in order to possibly save both our lives. Also the dark entity possesing my friend knew things about me that my friend did not know..this is why I felt the dark entities were outside forces and not manifestations of our subconscious or anything like that.

So...that is worse case scenario but...just an example of how drastically out of hand the mirror and LSD can get.

Take care for now everyone,,

Thanks for reading



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..isn't 'Seeing' - "not something done with the eyes" - according to Don Juan..?

less-visual (more space) orientated entheogens like nmt and 5meo have 'shown' me this concept..
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..so as not to be too obscure, from https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/d...03&f=44&q=299750
SpartanII wrote:
I AM SWIM wrote:
nen888 wrote:

A thought came into my mind (which i suspect came from someone far older): 'seeing is not something we do with our eyes'..


Have you ever read Carlos Castaneda's works? I'm pretty sure don Juan said something of that nature.
But there are other books on Shamanism that basically say the same thing, even academic sources.
Interesting. Shocked


"I am outlining the order in which the new seers arranged the truths about awareness, so it will serve you as a map, a map that you have to corroborate with your seeing , but not with your eyes.
Everybody falls pray to the mistake that seeing is done with the eyes. Seeing is not a matter of the eyes.
Seeing is alignment and perception is alignment. The alignment of the Indescribable Force 's emanations used routinely is the perception of the day-to-day world, but the alignment of emanations that are never used ordinarily is seeing . When such an alignment occurs one sees . Seeing , therefore, being produced by alignment out of the ordinary, cannot be something one could merely look at. So, don't succumb to the way seeing is labeled and described.
When seers see , something explains everything as the new alignment takes place. It's a voice that tells them in their ear what's what. If that voice is not present, what the seer is engaged in isn't seeing."


-Don Juan to Carlos Castaneda, The Fire From Within Wink


EDIT: there are the eyes, and the 'mind's eye'..
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Eliyahu 2 beautiful posts Smile

your ideas remind me of Wallace Steven's 'description without place where he says

It is possible that to seem - it is to be,
As the sun is something seeming and it is.

The sun is an example. What it seems
It is and in such seeming all things are



to add my 2 cents i think the content of experience is a function of the nature of the experiencer. famous experiments in psychology done in the 90s for eg. have shown a gap of around 1/5 of a second between visual transduction of photons and the appearance of this as phenomenal data inside experience. the speed of electrical transmission and various factors related to integration create this gap of 1/5 of a second..int erms of evolution 1/5 of a second can be difference between surviving to pass on genes or getting plonked with a rock and dying..the brain's evolved means of dealing with this gap is to have the content of phenomenal experience function not as an interpreter of the here and now, but as an anticipator of what will happen in 1/5 of a second. studies also show immediate perception is skewed by unconscious beliefs, desires and suppressions, as well as immediate conscious goals (think attentional blindness experiments).. ultimately this means people don't see things as they are, they see things the way their brain thinks they will be in 1/5 of a second, to the exclusion of things which are incompatible with present goals and views of self and world..if you think about it this means that the raw data of experience is already laden with 'pre-conscous interpretation, and any attribution of meaning will as a result of this be an interpretation of an interpretation, so even as you read this you're thinking with your eyes and seeing with your brain..

Quote:
EDIT: there are the eyes, and the 'mind's eye'..


i remember a deviation during a talk at EGA 2011 by a certain erudite and masked mysterioso Very happy contrasting the difference between dream-time and space-time..perhaps the physical eye is a window to the one while the intangible eye is a window to the other?



always interesting to hear people's thoughts along these lines
 
 
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