Does anyone have any more info on this?

This contactee claims that although DMT can produce a "Artificial experience" it is not the REAL thing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya_ASDqg9qE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGjMfcscRe0

SOmebody please embed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya_ASDqg9qE

What if you began to realize that reality itself was an artificial experience, and you had somehow found a window into what really lies behind the other side of this dream we call existence?

What if bodies were like roots and our minds were flowers waiting to be bloomed into a nostalgically refined version of being that spanned from the ancient and into the future in one single eternal moment?

We are and always have been at the cusp of trying to fathom what we are from the inside of it...which is a very silly thing if you ask me.

House, you put more questions into my brain :/

I guess that's why we smoke DMT though

beautiful words house

i strongly disagree with what he says about using DMT for spiritual experience being artificial. he makes it sound like the god experience is only meaningful and healthy if its unplanned by the individual and happens to them through some kind of intervention. I would like to hear what he has to say about shaman's using dmt in ayahuasca and whether he deems their spiritual catalyst artificial too.

he sounds like he still lives under a strong preconditioning about drugs too. maybe he should look into how they've been used throughout history and he'd see how much they have had to do with where we are today as a species. the shamans of the amazon say that they themselves didn't discover ayahuasca but that spirits told them how to make use of it so that they could communicate with them. and after encountering the intelligent entities of DMT experience that really isn't so hard for me to grasp, especially with them being in a forest with millions of differen't plants to choose from - and such low odds that they would just happen to put the two together in the correct combination.

as far as his experience of spirits telling him that people shouldn't use dmt to contact them.. hypothetically-it just doesn't make sense to me that the entities would tell him that about dmt, while also teaching shamans how to heal through a brew that they taught them how to make use of in the first place

i hope that made sense

No matter how low odds are, they could very well find it by themselves same way people around the world found other substances and still discover new substances: test & trial. Mushrooms are easy to find, does that mean they are somehow inferior to ayahuasca?

If spirits could "contact" us to tell us how to "contact" them, they could just keep contacting us.

That being said, you are free to embellish the unknown in your own way or adhering to other people's explanations if that suits you.

IMO it is just folklore.

I dunno man. I read somewhere the chances are like 1 in a billion that they could have found the correct combination of plants, not tomention the fact that many shamans would have died during this "trial and error" as there are numerous deadly plants in the amazon as well.
I kinda believe that an intelligent external force advised the shamans about the ayahuasca plants. much in the same way I believe that the use of these plant drugs is a vital part of understanding the deeper mysteries of existence.
I find it hard to believe that the beings this guy supposedly met would mention something like DMT out of the blue and tell him not to use it, coz the way he speaks he had never used it or even heard about it.
The similarity of his experience during his "contact" to my own experiences with DMT are uncanny though.
When he speaks about the love he felt I get all goosebumpy and think back to times when I too felt this love while under the influence of DMT.

I'm sure I had another point, but I forget now.

Peace

Now you're just bringing mathematical probabilities to the spiritual realm, it doesn't prove anything and again, no matter how low the odds, it can happen just like people get the right combination at lotto, how low are the odds at lotto?

Also, I think that "ordinary" people or slaves were to try unknown plants and if they survive the "important" people can try them and see. I don't think that there is much "deadly" plants in the amazon (compared to non-deadly), a same person can spend a life testing different plants without dying, those are also mathematical probabilities

Peace.

Really? There's not so much deadly plants in the amazon? Throughout suburbia there are a variety of berries and fungi for example that will kill you. If we're talking about the rain forest where the sheer variety of organisms is at its greatest, I would expect to find hordes of deadly plants. The rain forest ecosystem is easily the most diverse and complicated ecosystem known to man. Also, what further creates ever-smaller probability that the shamans would have figured out that the caapi and chacruna combine together to create the effects that they do is that they aren't located anywhere near each other.

This is all speculation, once deadly plants are identified by trial and error, it is kept as knowledge so the future generations can benefit from it. Given enough time, most of them (if not all) can be identified and avoided.
As for the caapi/chacruna combination, it is not the first and certainly not the last time a happy accident leads to a great discovery

Just my opinion, it is maybe spirits who told tham that, I'm just curious, why they never tell anything to me unless I go to see them

Peace!

"You think you know what love feels like? You have no idea"

"You think you know what a tree looks like? You think you know what fruit looks like? You have no idea."



I wonder how he knows DMT isn't the real deal? Has he ever tried it?

Or a better way of asking it, how does he know that HIS experience is real to claim that the DMT experience isn't real?

i don't think it works that way. altered consciousness seems to be an essential element of spiritual communication, and the way i see it this serves a purpose in a way..we couldn't be that way all the time, otherwise we'd constantly be tripping and not be able to function on the physical plane.

maybe they contacted him because he never goes to see them due to downing on entheogens so much

also remember ayahuasca is a combination of two different plants, which lowers the odds significantly again in stumbling upon the combination by chance. i never said ayahuasca is superior to mushrooms either, but mushrooms for example have a very distinctive appearance and would be much more likely to be found and tested than two plants which look like thousands of other plants. those little golden wizard shaped caps are just begging to be eaten. but then again, you could say the same for an intricate dna spiral vine. but using it to make another chemical digestible through breaking down an enzyme in the body which normally would not let it in (and it tastes horrible they certainly wouldn't be drinking it for good taste to begin with).. i think thats pretty advanced and maybe we should take a step back and listen to what the amazonians have to say about their history before lumping it into the folklore category. i've noticed lots of people always seem to assume that these cultures are just telling their history in a mythical way because its their "primitive minds" trying to make sense of the world around them, but we're dealing with a complex mind medicine here and they've been making use of it for a lot longer than we have, and i assume know a lot more about its history

I had almost the exact same experience as him under the effects of DMT. Sometimes word for word. I recorded this experience the minute I could find my recorder. I wonder what he would say if he ever heard it.

ROFL ALIEN CONTACTEE(I fell for one during the Elenin ordeal NEVER AGAIN)?! the guy loses his credibility right there (PERIOD)


All supposed contactees are FULL OF BULLCRAP until they can provide hard evidence.

if there were facepalm icon i would be using it right now. What exactly would you constitute as hard evidence for phenomena like this? As far as i can tell its pretty much near impossible to present physical evidence of spiritual phenomena other than by analysing the chemical relationships in the brain during the experience. We can't measure what somebody sees in an experiences like that and we definitely shouldn't proclaiming them full of bullcrap when we haven't walked their shoes. i think best you can do for now is just listen to their words and read their vibe. its not hard to tell when people are lying

"All supposed contactees are FULL OF BULLCRAP until they can provide hard evidence."

Why? If I say I am really an old lady but you dont bleive me but I really am, does that mean I am full of bullcrap? Makes little sense.

It's an interesting story and I'm not calling into question this guy's story's validity, but how can one logically assert that the things the entities he encounters say, are more valid than a DMT experience? He feels his truth is valid and I feel mine is as well, I don't tell him he's full of hooey and he shouldn't tell me I'm full of hooey based soley on an unverifiable personal experience.

I was told one story about the discovery of Ayahuasca,

It goes that when the people of the Amazon had reached new heights of spiritual enlightenment and were connecting with the jungle and Earth every where they looked, with all their thought, and they started looking searching with their hearts for answers to life, at this stage medicine men were the highest consults in society, apart from the jungle itself.

When they reached this plateau of enlightenment with open minds seeking truth and answers, more, at this point;
a great vine started to invade their villages, it just kept growing and the more they cut it the faster it grew back, it was in their huts it was in their food stores it was growing everywhere 'CALLING OUT TO THEM' 'IT WOULD NOT STOP' 'IT HAD SOMETHING TO TELL'.

This vine was the Banisteriopsis Caapi vine.

well..there is always this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu2M6jdP_Jc

lol sorry I could not resist.