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what do you think of this article that is like a pyramic scale of psychedelics? Options
 
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#1 Posted : 5/9/2012 6:32:27 PM

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you can read my comment below the article to know my opinion.
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Why isn't PCP under the fatal overdose line? Big grin
 
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#3 Posted : 5/9/2012 8:28:47 PM

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If the point of the article is giving readers a heads up about the non-existent toxicity in tryptamines and related compounds, nothing to object. If it's about the link between some of the most toxic drugs and the swelling of the ego, fair enough.

But the choice of substances seems a little arbitrary to me. It's not only salvinorin (jamie already pointed that out) or ibogaine. What about the tropane alkaloids? They are not ego drugs, and yet they are among the most potentially toxic psychedelics.
 
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Thanks for posting Jamie. I put my 2 pence worth in aswellSmile
 
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#5 Posted : 5/10/2012 2:22:03 AM

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I always thought 5meoDMT was riddled with tales of unpleasant overdose?

Surely if its going down the list as toxicity goes up, DMT should be at number 1?

Or have I missed something?
 
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#6 Posted : 5/10/2012 2:23:37 AM

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Yeah soulfood i just realised that lol.
 
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#7 Posted : 5/10/2012 2:26:50 AM

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#8 Posted : 5/10/2012 1:12:26 PM

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I was thinking the same. 5-MeO has a higher LD-50 than DMT. Someone has their biases Thumbs down
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well of course James Oroc is the author of 'Tryptamine Palace,' a book much-in-need-of-editing that asserts the superiority of 5-MeO-DMT over DMT, despite Oroc's admission that he only experienced the latter 1 or 2 times !

other issues i have with his book are present in this article, such as a clotted & convoluted train of thought, too much quantum-this and quantum-that, & not enough maybe-logic.

his pompously titled 'oroc's first law of entheogens' is absurd:

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Oroc's First Law of Entheogens: The more a compound disrupts the Ego (the sense of 'I'Pleased, the physically safer (less toxic) that compound will be, while the more a 'drug' reinforces and inflates the sense of Ego, the more physically harmful (toxic) that compound will be.


what?! while i can't think of a totally benign ego-reinforcing substance, i can easily conceive of myriad compounds that both disrupt, or obliterate, the ego & also present toxicity. this is an excessively simplistic formulation.

he says that he only considers the physical, not psychological side effects in his 'mystical value scale,' but the psychological side effects of a 5-meo-dmt trip gone awry can be crippling, apparently more so than DMT.

the man has tons of enthusiasm for opening people to entheogens though, can't blame him for that!

 
 
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