So from reading around, most people want to avoid the bad entities and don't like them...I gather it's because they are good people, but they have a lot of things to clear out in their mind. It's something to do with insecurities or not being as good and...well...I don't really know - it depends on the person.

But if a genuinely bad person who likes to cause harm to others went into hyperspace, could they embrace them and learn to cause more harm in the way others have had revelations about the Universe and have changed their entire outlook on life.

Do the same entities appear on repeat trips? Terrence McKenna describes them with some familiarity and, though I can't remember, he seems to have encountered the same beings on several occasions.

Could that work in the opposite direction? With dark entities being contacted by morally corrupt people or evil people.

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I don't see why not, if they can make the mental maneuvers. Bad people seek the help of demons etc. in the physical plane, it makes sense they might try the same in hyperspace as well.

Good question. While I don't have a definate answer for you, I've done a little thought on the subject and I've come to some interesting ideas about it.

First of all let me say personally, recurring entities are a very common thing for me. I see your new around here so you probably haven't heard my rant, but I have a very specific entity (spirit guide if you will) that shows up almost every time I trip. The being doesn't have a name, but I call it Teo for my own reference.

So in answer to that question, as far as I'm concerned recurring entities are very common yes.

Now, about what you say with the dark entities and it going both ways, I see no reason why this would be a one way street and it starts to lend a little credibility to certain practices and individuals throughout time. Hitler is one who instantly comes to mind. Here is man who we know from documentation had an obsession with the occult, and we also know that Hitler was a failed artist when he was a young man. What plausible explanation can we give for his incredible rise to power, and the fact that even though he was considered a failure as an artist, his propaganda machine was nearly fool proof? Could we consider he had 'outside' help, as some sources have stated? Maybe, but it's an interesting possibility.

Also practices like voodoo and black magic, not to mention ouija boards. There clearly is something to all this stuff, but what is sort of anyone's guess.

This board is very much against conspiracy theories which speaks to the credibility of this community, however there is a certain group of individuals who believe in a secret cabal that rules everything, and some have even suggested that this cabal is in direct communication with extraterrestrials (and from what we know as a psychedelic community, perhaps these E.T.s are not from outer space but from hyperspace). This is sketchy territory, but some parts of it make sense with the information we as psychonauts bring to the table.

The law of attraction likely applies in this situation. Someone with a darker intent that travels the inner worlds will likely attract negative beings to them. If the negative being decides it has something to gain by making a deal with the traveler, then I can see a situation where the person comes back and finds certain synchronicities in place to put them in positions of power and influence.

But to be honest I don't know. I've had over a dozen meetings with Teo and don't consider myself special in some regard because of what I've been taught by this being. If anything all the insights have applied in personal areas, not areas where I can benefit myself materially. Maybe this has to do with the schism between the 'good' and 'bad' entities, maybe the 'good' ones try to help you personally since that matters most and the 'bad' will give you lots of fun toys to keep you distracted. Who knows? One thing I do know though is I hate placing a moral judgment on anything from hyperspace. I've met the 'bad' guys before, and my meeting them had just as much a positive influence on my life in the long run as my dealings with Teo. I think at the end of the day it's the traveler's intentions that determine the outcome, both of the hyperspacial experience and their earth life integration with that experience.

There is nothing "bad" about the darkness.

Yeah I think there's often a symbollic aspect at work, people projecting according to their own ideas of whats good and bad.

Different people will have different views on what is "bad". I think when one goes into hyperspace, one will have this experience, and through the lens of whatever else one has experienced in life, one can "classify" it and try to give names and what not. But in the end, the way you interpret, is up to you.

The health and safety wiki have some good collective thoughts on how to deal with these experiences. Those are some of the tools and strategies you can use, but in the end you will have to find your way, if you decide to go into this experience.

Lastly, I think that someone you might think is a "bad" person, is still a human being with fears and doubts, just a tiny being in this majestic mistery of an exitence, and this person, like you and me, no matter how "strong" or "evil", could be hyperspacialy submitted, slapped into humility by fractal clowns, return crying like a baby

Yea everything is subjective and relative, so a person that you consider as "bad" will still have entities that are bad/scary for him. I mean you can't really say that a bad person embraces the bad entities.. If he embraces some entities then they are the ones that are preferable for him, not bad.

Anyway I don't think there's many people who really are bad.. Maybe just on the surface, but when they get so deep within themselves it's all gonna be different and once they work their issues out, the unconditional love is gonna feel just as good to them as all of us.

Then again there's all kinds of mental patients and serials killers and presidents out there, so who knows....

I think dark entities have no interest in teaching people anything, but we do learn through the experience.To me it seems even if I am the most evil and psychotic person alive the dark entities would still be dark entities.They take amusement in repulsing and terrifying the person, evil or not.Even psychopaths who like to hurt others do not like it to happen to them,so I think they would have a similar experience as us normal people.

It is very subjective in what we all see as good and bad.

It seems to me there has been a spiritual war going on is far as man has been known to exist.
I'm not gonna go in depth describing these two opposites, however I will say it has a lot to do with ancestry. This is off topic but I'd like to share one of my trip reports in this post. After I believe my spirit guide told me my life was in danger from a crazy man who's ancestry has been at war with mine for as long as our creation, I was shown this black blobous material. I then grabbed it and squeezed it until it popped this resulted in the dark material multiplying thousands fold in every direction. So I than decided to house this being in a box which I than threw into a dimension before destroying that dimension. However I dont see peace between these two extreme opposites any time soon.

WAY too many assumptions in the question to formulate a cogent response...

Sorry.

JBArk

Interesting topic.
I had to ask myself this question after a recent journey https://www.dmt-nexus.me...=32272&find=unread.
I was surrounded by very very super dark shapes, patterns, and such, but I have never felt so good.
At first I questioned if I was truly bad, and thats why I felt so perfect in the dark realm. Maybe I absorbed it.
However, while I know i'm flawed, i honestly do not believe that i am a bad person. At all.
I think we have to unlearn things, such as black = evil.
I have yet to experience evil on my journeys.

I like to view entities as good and bad more than light and dark.The first entities I came in contact with were the shadow people who some people view as dark(bad),I found them to be extremely friendly and helpful.Ill never forget
them turning to me waving and greeting me.

I have only encountered one or two beings that seemed purely evil.

I fully embrace dark entity's.

It's the only way to melt them.

this always happens to me with mushrooms. day to day I have a dark side that i manage, but this particular tryptamine seems to bring out a malevolent side. I get overwhelmed with a feeling reminiscent of a viking warrior, conjuring fantasies of revenge against those who have wronged me, violence to those i deem deserving (dexter style justice), and other sociopathic behavior. i never act on these impulses, but rather sit feeling like i have a nuclear bomb planted in the center of the earth, with my finger on the switch to activate it. It is a strange, omnipotent sensation. I simply embrace this darkness, and never find it unpleasant. Afterwards i feel as though i have let these demons off their leash for a bit, allowing them to run rampant for a few hours before locking them back up. They seem much more dormant after being allowed to run free for a bit

AllRightNow Wrote:

"So from reading around, most people want to avoid the bad entities and don't like them...I gather it's because they are good people, but they have a lot of things to clear out in their mind. It's something to do with insecurities or not being as good and...well...I don't really know - it depends on the person."

Honestly- This comment doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

Because I do in fact avoid "dark" entities
-and I don't like them. (I am guessing that the word "dark" does not refer to to color but to disposition here)

So your saying that because I don't like dark/evil entities and I avoid them....
-this makes me somehow foggy minded and insecure?

I don't really get that but I will tell you that I have a great deal of experience with dark/evil entities and that is WHY I avoid them and dislike them..
I'ts not that I fear them or some repressed part of myself or my psyche...

-to me it's more like common sense really. As a human being why would I want to seek the company of a being who's only purpose and desire is to destroy human beings?

I'm also wondering from the wording of your question if you are looking to do some dabbling in the dark side...?

Just know.....some doors can be easily opened but very difficult to close.

Thanks for all the interesting replies, lovely!



No, I'm not wanting to do that. I've only just realised that love and goodness are the way to go, I've never been malicious but I have been capable of thoughtlessness - sometimes going a bit far with piss taking but I'm only just breaking out of some of the social conditioning. I don't want to harm other people at all...

...but some people do.

Someone else mentioned you guys not liking conspiracies and that's okay, that wasn't what I intended to talk about. Is it still a conspiracy that a tiny percentage of the population basically run the world and have done for generations? I don't think it is. We know that now. Then I saw the momuments and dedications to the pinecone (referencing the pineal gland by all accounts). It's interesting at the moment because I can't know much more about it but, I think...why not? This is an ancient substance, they must know about it. These people are rich, powerful and capable of great brutality as well as showing a public face. I think they must be people who are power-mad.

That's interesting though because I really asked the question without any presumptions. I didn't really know that the same entitites appeared but wondered if, over a long period of time, the same entities could be contacted and the connection to hyperspace institutionalised for those who 'know'. Hey, is it THAT unlikely? Given the experience reports regular people are coming back with day after day?


The idea that the dark entities would be unpleasant for even the wickedest human is certainly interesting and not something I had fully considered. Is it possible that the power mad simply believe in this world too much and would have their whole ideology thrown out of the window by an intense DMT experience?

But yeah, no. I'm not dabbling with the dark side myself. I've seen Hellraiser - it doesn't end well for people who dabble. Plus, I don't want the help of dark forces...I want the help of good ones if I can get it. It would be literally "hanging out with the wrong crowd".

Sorry about the first post as well. I wasn't sure what to say because I've not been to Hyperspace myself so wasn't sure how best to describe things. I thought I understood that the dark entities preyed on negative thoughts and energy and one could be uplifting by overcoming these thought patterns. I thought maybe there are people who dwell on negative forces and revel in them so, yeah, advice could be given and maybe they could take something back to the real world.

Maybe a better question would have been:
If the entities want to cause harm to humans and so does the person in hyperspace - what would happen? If they had no desire to find the light but enjoyed being dark. The example of Hitler, though so common when you think of diabolical leaders, is valid. That was, if you know the history, insanely incredible how he rose to power. It was like there was something else going on.

Sorry, I'm rambling. I hope you see what I'm getting at. If you don't believe that there are people who are out for themselves, for their family name and for their tight knit social circle and who see the vast majority of the population as 'the masses' and who initiate and fund wars that kill millions and profit from these things and have stakes in finance systems that collapse and destroy the middle class in nations, you won't get what I'm asking...I don't think.

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AllRightNow

OK ALLRIGHT NOW...sorry I got a bit concerened about you, from your post.

I would add that evil spirits are predatory beigns with one intention and if anyone thinks that they are "friends" with one then that person is just being decieved.

^ How about you dont speak in absolutes and speak for yourself? You cant claim to know the truth regarding hyperspace here, nobody can. Maybe YOU feel "evil spirits" are X, maybe I feel "evil spirits" are Y, or maybe I feel what you consider "evil spirits" NOT as evil spirits.. Please refrain from making such absolute claims about what hyperspace is or is not and about how people interpret the experience as being wrong or right.

Allrightnow, I think as jbark said, you are making many assumption, its hard to begin to think how to answer them.

I suggest reading gibran's improbability of hyperspace thread regarding the odds of all these guesses and assumptions being right, and if it even makes any sense thinking like that.

My apologies for having the tendency to present my opinions as fact.

I also don't think it helps my case that my general outlook on hyperspace is a mostly unpopular one. I understand that this is mainly because of the negative stigma surrounding "religious talk".

I feel like it I do in fact try to add disclaimers here and there but I am still new at this so it has been challenging for me to adhere to absolute political correctness.

In the future I will attempt to present my view points with an increased level of neutrality.-

I liked your questions and have wondered some of the same type things.The first thing I can say is I cant remember having an evil thought of my own in hyperspace.I see evil things and
even some unpleasant thought loops I have had seemed evil but none of it seemed to come from me.The closest thing I have to an evil thought of my own is "I dont like this"or I hate it when that happens".It may be the drug but all the evil is separate from me,I feel love most of the time.Even the idea of greed to me is ridiculous while im there.

If hyperspace is built from our psyche I guess it is very possible that evil people could enjoy some things I would not.The only difference I can see is their dark entities would be different than ours,meaning they would have their own unique set.

To me a dark type entity is different for all, its a sum of your fears,phobias and those episodes remind me very much of how a nightmare works.

I reread it and I am sorry if my first post seemed a little facetious - it was not my intention; I should have elaborated that if you examine these assumptions closely enough, all of them, you may just find you have no real question. Or the answer may just sprout forth and surprise you.


Cheers,

JBArk