Took some MDMA last night and didn't have much of a good time at all.

I got a little bit social, but only with certain people, and some people I just looked at in disbelief. I had zero euphoria, music sounded good but annoyed me at the same time, I was content, yet sad at the same time too. (so weird)

I feel like I have gotten the loss of magic people speak of with MDMA, with just a high and a rush and no feelings of joy and love.

Anyone else have thoughts or personal experience with this? Can taking a very long break bring it back, or is it for good?

MDMA doesn't do anything for me, never has...300mg+ of pure crystal and I just feel warm and slightly social. After a number of tries with it, I gave up. Now I just use low dose mesc when I want to create that emotional state and it feels much less toxic while actually creating acute effects.

I've heard that taking breaks of 1 year or more will make it come back, on more than 1 forum/thread.

Personally, I don't know.

How often have you been using it ?

Once a month for the past, hmm..7-8 months, can't remember exactly when I started.

Probably have had about 10-12 very amazing rolls, and now lately a few that aren't the same, I know this is normal, I just want to hear about if it's fixable or not.

True Snozz, everyones different 300mg of pure crystal in the days would have my sitting at the peak in pure euphoria

Few things:

1. Do you know for a fact it was real MDMA by using a reagent test? If not, then there is no way of knowing if what you took actually was MDMA.

2. SSRI's have a tendency to make phenylethylamines and tryptamines weak to the point of not working in my experience. Even those that were on them and quit for 3 months still weren't able to get anything from reagent tested MDMA at doses up to 300mg. You aren't on any new medications right?

3. Body chemistry changes due to diet or hormone changes from aging could potentially play a factor. Never read literature to this regard, but it seems logical that these could be variables to take into account.

4. Tolerance if you do it with any regularity.

MDMA still has all the effects it did for me when I started taking it semi-regularly a year ago.

I started doing it once a weekend for several months. There was a point in time where I used it instead of cocaine for work purposes as a stimulant w/ euphoria (work on a computer all day at home, so no dangers in me doing this) for a few days in a row or on a weekend work binge because it was cheaper, longer lasting and cleaner.

After I moved on to a rotating schedule of amphetamines/caffeine/cocaine though I almost stopped using MDMA completely with exception of once every month or two. Funny enough, of those three, caffeine is most destructive for me since it triggers mania (I'm bipolar) and I start lashing out in anger at friends... and the other two don't have that effect. Rotating schedule has extremely helped in preventing possibilty of addiction though, and my rule to only use them when working.

The only "magic loss" is the fact I know exactly what is going to happen. It's not a novel experience anymore. All the feelings are still there though.

I get more enjoyment out of seeing other people having fun now honestly. I usually stay pretty sober at parties now. I've overcome my social anxiety, and only use it now for special occassions or to flavor a "trip" I decide to take.

Usage pattern I see pretty consistantly with MDMA is the first discovery phase where it is used regularly, and once the novelty of it wears off, it's used for special occasions.

You sure it's just not the novelty of it that's worn off?

could be cut.
could be fake.
could be your seritonin levels are down. due to other drugs that tap in to it.
set and setting.

personally I cant get ahold of the stuff. i usually eould find it at raves, but lifestyle has changed. but personally i would be scared to take it because there has been many deaths lately due to it being cut with other drugs or toxins!

last time I tried it, I got some fierce eye jitters and had to drive on the stuff to another party. that was a challange!

Might be time for a breaky poo

Once a month for long periods is way to much, once every 3 is generally accepted.

Thanks for the input guys.

Stuff is marquis tested, purple to black, too much crap going around these days to do it any other way. It actually only narrows it down to MDxx, MDA and MDMA. But I'm sure it's MDMA.

I think I'm going to do a nice 5-6 month break, start saving it for really truly special occasions. Seems like the way to go

Nexalizer- once a month for 7-8 months.

..this is what A. Shulgin said in PIKHAL about trials with pure MDMA in the late 60s/early 70s..
that after around a dozen administrations the original MDMA 'magic' was gone..(i will find quote when get time)
this kind of semi-permanent tolerance concerned Shulgin and made him question it's effectiveness as a regular theraputic tool..seems to suit occasional peak experiences..this is with the pure compound..
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He also called it his "Low calorie cocktail."

If you have experienced this, eat some 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine!

Drink lots of ayahuasca in between MDMA sessions!

Also...MDMA seems far stronger administered anally in saline solution and allowed to absorb.

I consume it about 4 times a year and have been doing this for the last 10 years or so. I don't detect any sort of loss of magic, if I did I think I would probably be thinking of consuming more. I have looked into potentiating the effects though, and have found preloading 5-HTP for a week prior and taking Piracetum a couple of days before, makes the experience much more clear-headed and less messy.

To the OP, once a month is clearly way too often. You need to lay off for a bit and them come back to it.

Yeah I took some MDMA before in a week and each dose it seemed like the experience was less and less meaningful

Ann Shulgin reported loss of magic with frequent use. So did my sister in law with weekly use.

For me, MDMA is one of the most magical and consistently magical molecules I have ever encountered. But I use it super sparingly. About 16 times in the past 27 years. Last year I used it once. But the previous one I used it four times - though that had been after about a 12 year break. Not sure about this year - I'll probably break it out.

I can say for myself, very, very infrequent use with huge breaks has more than kept the magic alive. If anything it's better than ever - I get more out of tripping than I did when I was 20 years old, a lot more. And this includes with empathogens too - I can get some real good work done in this space. And have a great, comfortable time. Amazing.

Good luck . . . I suspect a ridiculously long break would more than fully restore the magic . . . .

Thanks Pandora, appreciate the post! I agree, it's going to be saved for truly special occasions such as major festivals and such. No more than 4 times a year, if I even do that.

Space in-between is what people say is best so I'm taking that route, ^__^, I didn't run into problems going monthly, that's why I kept it up until now.

I can 100% relate to the whole losing the magic thing.

Did some this weekend and started with a low does. Normally I would be around the 90mg mark and that is enough for me to begin with. I started around 50mg this time as I am pretty small. It put me in a weird headspace.
About 2 hours after that I had 2 x 10mg 2C-B tabs.

The MD totally over ruled any effects of the 2C, which was gutting as I really wanted to get something from them. I had previously only done 2C in cap form which seems to work a lot better.

I then decided to have 120mg of MD as I was feeling very very straight. Still nothing. I didn't feel chatty or sociable. I didn't really want to get involved with anything.
I had a play on some decks and got some mild 2C effects when I was looking at the mixer, but really it was nothing to write home about.

After another 3 hours of so I took 30mg of 2C and did get some "ok" visuals if I looked for them and a little bit giggly. This was nothing compared to the amazing visuals I had the last times I had taken it.

I think for me I need a good break from it. I have an event that I am planning to do it at in the next few months but after that I would happily not touch it again for a good long while.

Before last year I had taken a 4 year break from it and really enjoyed me return, but now I am left with nothing fond to remember about my last experience on it. I think there is an element of partaking in it too often as well and the terrible after effects I have in the days after.

I want the magic back but think that will only come with a substantial break from it

LR xx

I feel you LR, for sure.

My new rule is no more than 3 times a year, 4 max but that's if it was something huge and I had to.

Back when the trio of Rc sourcing websites were still up, no doubt some of you know exactly what sites i am referring to (got taken down by DEA/DHS granted the stimulant peddling going on there was going to be the end of it sooner or later) i acquired 3g of methylone literally a few weeks before the DEA's emergency scheduling of the compound.

Needless to say, after having it for a few weeks and finally deciding to try the compound, it was a magical experience. Definitely does not touch mescaline in its empathogen effects, but still, very profound chemical. No expirence with mdma to compare this with ymwtn. It helped me understand and come to terms with some deep seated issues I'd been carrying most my life.

I digress, after the first trial, i stupidly attempted another a mere week later. Effects were still prelevant, but nowhere near what i got from that first taste. Taking the crazy man's attitude towards this (at the time just beginning to get into dangerous RC stim territory), i attempted to try again a week later and got even less effects from a higher dose. This led to even more frequent attempts (2x weekly) with diminishing effects and no magic at all (that was gone after the first re-dose a week after first trial). Finally realizing i was wasting the last bit of something i would not be able to source any time soon, i shelved the rest for a good few months.

One day, i decided to get back into the stash, and plugged ~80mg of bk-mdma, and it was close to that first magical experience, but still lacking alot compared to that first time (250mg oral). Having less than a gram left, i decided to give it a break for another few months.

Dipped into the last dose of the stash just recently, and was still a bit disappointed with how the experience went, definitely close to getting somewhat of the magic back, but not quite. Overall a positive experience, but its obvious these compounds are not suitable for use any more frequently than a few times a year maximum.

Its too bad i let my hedonism and lack of self control waste away the small amount of what i consider a valuable tool, but needless to say it was a lesson that will not be forgotten.

Let it be known that i've never had mdma, but this folly with bk-mdma taught me a valuable lesson about mdmx empathogens. They are not to be used any more than extremely infrequently if its the magic you desire. In a way i guess it was a learning experience, and when mdma crosses my path in the future, at least i'll know how to approach it to get the most out of it, rather than let my lack of self control ruin and waste the incredible potential these classes of drugs hold.

Just my 2c on the matter, i know this does not exactly pertain to the "loss of magic" in regards to mdma this topic is about, but i think its a relevant account of one persons experience with the topic at hand.

I conclusion, it seems the general attitude towards these compounds are that i take with mescaline ( at least in high doses). No more than a few times a year, if even that.

And in regards to all the other "emathogen" rc methylone substitutes, they were all complete garbage ime, and dangerously addictive. Went through a period of delusional hedonistic RC stim use, and it was only until the sources no longer were available, and my stash ran out that i was able to see how much damage i had done. A very dark chapter in my life, but a learning experience about all else. Stimulants for sure have their uses therapeutically (empathogen or not), but for the type of personality i have, it just turned into a hedonistic self-damaging quest into eventual depression. Very powerful catalysts, that must be handled with extreme caution in those predisposed to imbalances, and lack of adequate self control. Not to say that most people can use these responsibility, i just accept i'm not one of those people, or at least i was not back then.

The day i went out into the woods and threw out 10's of grams of 4-emc, 4-mec, and all that other trash in my gonzo box was one of the most liberating experiences of my life.

Not to get too far off topic here