We've Moved! Visit our NEW FORUM to join the latest discussions. This is an archive of our previous conversations...

You can find the login page for the old forum here.
CHATPRIVACYDONATELOGINREGISTER
DMT-Nexus
FAQWIKIHEALTH & SAFETYARTATTITUDEACTIVE TOPICS
PREV12
Cacti Alcohol Extraction Options
 
Seldom
#21 Posted : 4/20/2012 9:21:13 AM

Wiradjuri


Posts: 182
Joined: 15-Dec-2011
Last visit: 28-Mar-2015
Location: Australia
with alcohol you'll just get a broader spectrum of the alkaloid profile. Oneiroi 2 days is ridiculous! the fetus that i resorbed during my gestation's dying gurgle was that on the first pull, agitate like a crazy eye masturbation enthusiast for max 5 minutes, then repeat until the color no longer changes. her estimation based on color is you'll pick up 90% of what alcohol's able to get out in the first 2 pulls
 

Explore our global analysis service for precise testing of your extracts and other substances.
 
evil804
#22 Posted : 4/20/2012 8:14:09 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 183
Joined: 09-Nov-2010
Last visit: 20-Mar-2024
Location: Be here now
ive done the iso soak method on dry powdered cactus in the past with great success. compared to other methods, it has the best balance of pros/cons IME. pure mescaline extractions are not very intense, but have no nausea and are much more sensual. toss and wash gives a very intense, long lasting experience but is a lot of effort to ingest and will produce great nausea while waiting for effects to kick in. boil method teas are no different from toss and wash IME, just less effort to consume.

The iso soak tar method is the best of both worlds, full spectrum actives for a long intense trip, but with little to no nausea.
 
Oneiroi
#23 Posted : 4/21/2012 5:59:04 PM

Tim


Posts: 95
Joined: 15-Oct-2011
Last visit: 13-Oct-2012
Location: Moon
Ah okay, I didn't realize it pulled that quickly. So basically when the color changes to dark green brown I should take the alcohol out and replace?

I'm thinking of using isopropyl alcohol instead of everclear for my next extraction since everclear is so expensive. Are there any benefits to using one or the other besides having to make sure that iso is completely evaporated before ingesting?
Anything I say is completely false and should not be taken seriously.
 
The Day Tripper
#24 Posted : 4/21/2012 7:08:27 PM

Rennasauce Man


Posts: 853
Joined: 27-May-2011
Last visit: 25-Feb-2019
Location: A Pale Blue Dot orbiting a GV2 Yellow Dwarf fusion powered Luminous Ball of Plasma at 30km/s
ethanol is more polar than iso. In terms of extracting mescaline salts from cactus it goes water > methanol > ethanol > isopropyl.

Iso works just fine, but if you have access to ethanol, or can use methanol safely it will work better than iso.
"let those who have talked to the elves, find each other and band together" -TMK

In a society in which nearly everybody is dominated by somebody else's mind or by a disembodied mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to learn the truth about the activities of governments and corporations, about the quality or value of products, or about the health of one's own place and economy.
In such a society, also, our private economies will depend less upon the private ownership of real, usable property, and more upon property that is institutional and abstract, beyond individual control, such as money, insurance policies, certificates of deposit, stocks, etc. And as our private economies become more abstract, the mutual, free helps and pleasures of family and community life will be supplanted by a kind of displaced citizenship and by commerce with impersonal and self-interested suppliers...
The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth. This alignment destroys the commonwealth - that is, the natural wealth of localities and the local economies of household, neighborhood, and community - and so destroys democracy, of which the commonwealth is the foundation and practical means.โ€ - Wendell Berry
 
Oneiroi
#25 Posted : 4/22/2012 12:45:20 AM

Tim


Posts: 95
Joined: 15-Oct-2011
Last visit: 13-Oct-2012
Location: Moon
Is there a reason why water isn't used for extraction? It's free and its the most polar.
Anything I say is completely false and should not be taken seriously.
 
The Day Tripper
#26 Posted : 4/22/2012 1:03:19 AM

Rennasauce Man


Posts: 853
Joined: 27-May-2011
Last visit: 25-Feb-2019
Location: A Pale Blue Dot orbiting a GV2 Yellow Dwarf fusion powered Luminous Ball of Plasma at 30km/s
Oneiroi wrote:
Is there a reason why water isn't used for extraction? It's free and its the most polar.


Cell swelling, assuming your using powder. It will turn the whole lot to cactus snot that is impossible to separate. Alcohols do not present this problem w/ powder. Separates cleanly and no snot. Has to do with how the cactus cells holds water, and won't let go of it naturally when its alive, prob an evolutionary thing since they live in dry climates and need to conserve water at all costs.

But water prob is a better option if your using fresh cactus chunks, or dried pieces, as you won't get very much stot at all. IME though, powdered cactus or blended fresh cactus and water don't mix. Perhaps with a pressure cooker, but still its a royal bitch to separate. freezing/thawing does help though if you do use water. The water crystals break down the cells a bit. I've heard of pectinase & other enzymes used as well with water extractions, as they decompose the long chain molecules that cause the snot. But thats theoretical with very little experimentation done from what i've read. Still an interesting idea though.

Alcohols seem like they would be better utilized if you went stb first with lime, dried the paste, then pulled with dryish alcohols. Mesc fb is very soluble in alcohols, and the base should break down the plant material to an extent to aid extraction. But alcohols do work without basifying, the alkaloid salts are just much less soluble in alcohol than the freebase, and the cells have not been partially broken down by a base.

I think you can use a mix of water/alcohol and not get snot, but what ratio to use, idk. It might help a bit if your using a less polar alcohol, so long as you don't add too much water and get the snot.

"let those who have talked to the elves, find each other and band together" -TMK

In a society in which nearly everybody is dominated by somebody else's mind or by a disembodied mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to learn the truth about the activities of governments and corporations, about the quality or value of products, or about the health of one's own place and economy.
In such a society, also, our private economies will depend less upon the private ownership of real, usable property, and more upon property that is institutional and abstract, beyond individual control, such as money, insurance policies, certificates of deposit, stocks, etc. And as our private economies become more abstract, the mutual, free helps and pleasures of family and community life will be supplanted by a kind of displaced citizenship and by commerce with impersonal and self-interested suppliers...
The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth. This alignment destroys the commonwealth - that is, the natural wealth of localities and the local economies of household, neighborhood, and community - and so destroys democracy, of which the commonwealth is the foundation and practical means.โ€ - Wendell Berry
 
mew
#27 Posted : 4/22/2012 3:14:40 AM

huachumancer


Posts: 1285
Joined: 02-Aug-2008
Last visit: 21-Sep-2024
Location: earf
ethanol works well, i soaked 3x over the span of a week

out of 100 g theres no telling what youll yield, anywhere between .5%-5% pure alkaloids

you may yield 50 g tar
 
Oneiroi
#28 Posted : 4/25/2012 7:14:27 AM

Tim


Posts: 95
Joined: 15-Oct-2011
Last visit: 13-Oct-2012
Location: Moon
Ive started collecting the pulls in a pyrex dish but I realized I never filtered it. I did make sure that no chunks of cactus came out, as I used dried cut up pieces of cactus and not actual cactus powder. Would it still be necessary to filter the pulls? There is noticeable residual goopy material in the pulls that looks like it might be plant fat and oils.
Anything I say is completely false and should not be taken seriously.
 
Attention All Shipping
#29 Posted : 4/26/2012 5:38:35 PM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 306
Joined: 18-Jan-2008
Last visit: 11-Aug-2023
How do you guys filter out the alcohol from the cactus matter? I've jot a big glob of alcohol/cactus and vacuum filtration isn't making much difference as its so thick & gooey.

****Edit***********
It's ok, I've just added more alcohol & that's reduced the gooeyness & caused a seperate layer of alcohol to form.
 
Oneiroi
#30 Posted : 4/30/2012 12:52:49 AM

Tim


Posts: 95
Joined: 15-Oct-2011
Last visit: 13-Oct-2012
Location: Moon
Once I get down to the resin stage, can I roll that up in flour and store it? I don't plan on taking it for a while, maybe next weekend, and I don't want it to get moldy.
Anything I say is completely false and should not be taken seriously.
 
Seldom
#31 Posted : 4/30/2012 8:03:19 AM

Wiradjuri


Posts: 182
Joined: 15-Dec-2011
Last visit: 28-Mar-2015
Location: Australia
i've kept resin for around 2 weeks with no worries at all, i think any bacteria that can live on alkaloids designed to kill them then they almost deserve to live..
why are you putting flour with it? i think that would increase the chances of it going bad. if it's for easier consumption then i'd just leave it as the tar until right before it will be eaten.. i've never heard of it going bad, especially if it's put in gel caps immediately
 
Oneiroi
#32 Posted : 4/30/2012 5:28:31 PM

Tim


Posts: 95
Joined: 15-Oct-2011
Last visit: 13-Oct-2012
Location: Moon
Alkaloids are designed to kill bacteria? I've never heard of that before. So I threw the tar into the fridge for storage.

I was going to put flour with it for easier consumption. Is it feasible to eat the tar straight? I don't want to have to go through making gel caps unless it's really necessary.
Anything I say is completely false and should not be taken seriously.
 
PREV12
 
Users browsing this forum
Guest (6)

DMT-Nexus theme created by The Traveler
This page was generated in 0.030 seconds.