How much oral freebase DMT to you need?

Please select the minimum dosage of oral freebase DMT used by you, or a friend, that’s just strong enough to produce open and/or closed eye visuals (the threshold visionary dose). It’s the dose at which the substance is obviously causing changes in ones perception and would be considered mildly hallucinogenic.

The MAOI used should be of the harmala type (harmine, harmaline, THH, or even rue or caapi tea) otherwise the poll might be inaccurate. It should not include any other boosters like theobromine and such, just the traditional harmalas.

Nice poll!

I assume these values are dmt freebase or its equivalent-to-freebase (in case of salt), right?


And what is visionary? SWIM's FOAF's last experience with equivalent to 140mg freebase had slight OEVs and no CEVs. CEV's are more difficult to come by, generally.

Yes, I forget to state that. I updated the poll thread name to state that the dosage values are for freebase DMT.

SWIM has only consumed fumarate salts

About 100mgs is when things start happening for me.

It takes a solid 200+mgs for the real magic to happen.

Thanks for taking part in this poll everyone

I find it fascinating to see the wide variation of oral doses needed by different people. SWIM is one of the lucky ones. He only needs 20 mg of freebase DMT orally for visuals to start. 40 mg and it starts becoming a heavy trip for him. His oral doses are very close to his smoked freebase doses.

Around 125 for me. The most ive ever done at once is 200mg (light oev/cev), with a 100mg booster at 2 hours, and it was still not where I wanted to be.

Dang, I really hope it doesn't take me more then 50 mg's to get visuals...
or rather reaching the threshold of visions

I'll vote one day after I get paid

20mg with MAOI to move off of baseline. 65mg was a good dose. CEVs much easier to come by than OEVs although SWIM can see colors hiding in the background all the time ever since his first experience with psychedelics about 38 years ago.
Must qualify that have only done salts orally.
SWIM weighs 200lbs.

I only take oral DMT in the form of ayahuasca. I believe that with ayahuasca the oral dosages are a little lower than with pure DMT+ an MAOI. If you calculate the amount of DMT a certain amount of plant material should contain, then for most people 50 mg of DMT (equals 10 grams of MHRB or 50 grams of psychotria viridis) is a visionary dose.
For this reason i don't see the purpose of extracting DMT in freebase form first and then taking it orally. You don't get the advantage of having DMT in it's freebase form this way, and you need a larger amount to get the same effects.

SWIM has only done 60mg of fumarate salt orally and that produced a profound experience with THH and Harmine. He will try again later when he's got some time off.

It's amazing how this poll is progressing. It looks like dosage levels used by several people varies by as much as 5 times for the same level of effects! That’s a huge dosage variance.

Would your body weight have a direct relation to the amount of product you need to absorb? Maybe posting this info would help with the consensus..

SWIM is on the heavy side weighing about 280 lbs. Lots of muscle, a little fat, but mostly SWIM is just a big guy, but still only needs 20 mg for visual effects. SWIM’s brother weighs about 140 lbs, and is very thin, and needs 2-3 times as much as SWIM does. So weight is a factor is some cases, but there are other factors that are unknown that play into this as well, otherwise SWIM would need more than his brother needs, but he actually needs less (same acid, shrooms, etc., SWIM always needs less than his skinny brother).

oops, replied in FASA amounts...my vote for 125-149 should be changed to edit:Stoichioyiometrynomicon 100-124mg

One thing unmentioned is the maoi doses..
Swim finds 4g of rue and around 40mg freebase dmt quite visual/pleasent.. especially cev.

Very interesting. SWIM defines as OEVs as the breathing of objects, and the superimposition of mandala/webs designs around the air and other objects. Maybe chances in perspective as well.

In this respect, threshold OEVS are defined (by SWIM) as very slight, hardly noticeable breathing and again hardly noticeable almost transparent mandalas/webs. Of the kind where if you do not pay close attention to them (as an experienced user can do) they may as well get unnoticed by novice users.

CEV's is the total beauty in SWIM's opinion and he gets them either at peak stages (not talking about oral dmt, just about psychedelic in general) mostly. He hever got a single CEV from oral dmt (maximum he tried was the equivalent of 140mg freebase). Maybe some dull colours but not different from CEVs one gets just by closing his eyes when sober and pays a bit of attention.

Again it seems that there're no standard rules here, a'body responds differently!

SWIM has had OEVs (superimosition of mandala/webs designs, patterns with brilliant colors)in "breakthrough" experiences on lsd and mushrooms to the point of not being able to discern physical objects around him. SWIM does get OEVs with a regular experience but not to the point where he can't see the room for the patterns. CEVs on the other hand are the same patterns and colors but with the eyes closed. SWIM can see these patterns and colors as brilliantly as if they physically exist at times where the OEVs do not completely overwhelm the physical objects around him and in fact are quite subdued. This is SWIM's idea of OEVs and CEVs. I do know that this is very different for different people. SWIM knows people who have "freaked out" on lsd but still never saw colors or patterns for themselves.

The dose required for either open eyed visuals or close eyed visuals is the threshold visionary dose. It’s the dose at which the substance is obviously causing changes in ones perception and would be considered mildly hallucinogenic.

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SWIM can feel 10 mg orally (it's stimulating, but not a psychedelic dose), but needs 20 mg for mild visual effects. Looks like SWIM and you are close to the same ballpark figures...the lucky minority