Hey, I am generally a really happy, empathetic, loving person. I have a very vivid imagination and creativity. The thing is, with shrooms, DMT, it appears much easier to visualize (although SWIM still feels those thoughts in normal state maybe even more accurately... they do not appear as visual or expressive). I am wondering if anyone believes it is capable to visualize certain archetypes, realizations, philosophies, states of awareness (whether "real" or "imagined" regardless of what this means) at that level and if so how one could develop this and if it would require continued dosage.

In normal state, SWIM feels more grounded and although very emotional, vivid memory, dreams, etc. with shrooms, DMT, mescaline SWIM can visualize these things directly in front of them with eyes wide open by blocking out distractions and channeling thoughts into realizations/higher associations. In normal state it feels SWIM is still aware of all of this (feelings (SWIM is a very sensitive person), musings, aphorisms) but if SWIM wants to hypothetically visualize a figure of light which represents symbolism such as angels, states such as heaven, zen, bliss, love, etc. reflect negativity, feel their deepest emotions without caring about anyone intruding on it, they are capable with little to no effort and they are also capable of controlling it and not worrying about EXTERNAL influence interrupting (also things such as fear reflex dissipates and preconceived notions). Let's say SWIM feels something isn't real like an infinite being they are imagining. Because SWIM can handle it, a part of their self is able to hold onto this and the rest kind of projects it in front of him. Whether or not the actual result is real or not, SWIM feels they learn a lot and enjoy absorbing the emotions associated with this state of mind (ie. the being represents love, freedom, escape from limiting thoughts or ADD personality tangents, societal constraints). I'm not sure if it is completely induced by the substance or it normally happens in a REM state or is limited by pragmatic "rules" of society/life but SWIM enjoys this dream state and learns a lot from it.

Just wondering if anyone has any advice on how to traverse into these mindsets normally as I'm sure lots of people have wondered this. Or if it needs to be "opened" with continued usage or other method or if that will only lead to memories and recollections (still cool but not the same). SWIM and another friend very experienced in psychedelic usage are convinced that it is just the effect of the substance allowing one to temporarily delude the self into non-logical improbabilities and perceive them as reality and it is true that even in breakthrough experiences in some sense the presence of the self has always seemed to verify this (for example giant buddha appearing from another dimension and holding SWIM's friend (highly intelligent person) in the palm of his hand and feeling like understanding the purpose of human nature/condition and many other profound realizations) or experience of SWIM seeing the skys open to metaphorical "heaven" and loved ones appearing in some form (which was limited and intentionally inhibited breakthrough by SWIM realizing it was just escapism). At the times they are convinced or know they would be if they had taken it farther but it seems like "taking it to the point where the mind can't sort what's real from what isn't and convincing oneself of certain things in order to believe or deal with an issue". Of course there are truths to these states and we would possibly be in a MUCH better place if they existed but it still might not be real (meh I'd be cool with it ). Everytime SWIM convinced himself, deep down he knew it was really just an "illusion". Yes, people can always say everything is an illusion but SWIM and his friend who has broken through several times felt as if those illusions were just passing "dreams" not necessarily sustainable states. Not to mention even on fairly high dose, SWIM was often able to walk around in public and be 100% awake functioning normally (although he did ask a couple people if they were God LOL and was acting really funny staring into the clouds, snow, etc. lmao although SWIM is weird and is like this sober as well) when many people say they get passed out with even smaller dosage and leave the dimension. It felt like it was basically just going to bed versus having SELF CONTROL and accepting reality as it is? Any ideas on this rambling haha?

Thanks

I would definitely agree with you that most all psychedelics are mind manifesting, yes you can imagine whatever you will and in some cases to various extent reflect in perceived reality, in many cases the subconscious can show us things as well, such as art weve never seen or clues to our own struggles. I do not encourage practicing with the ego & psychs to strengthen the ego's grip during trips. I would encourage trying to stop your internal dialogue, forget the ego, realize that which is beyond self manifestation(trying this sounds like it would be a pretty intense/scary growing experience for someone who focuses mostly on their ego while tripping. I don't think any long term goals with potent psychs as the main means to an end is positive. I do not suggest trying to use DMT to create your own construct, while I do believe something behind dmt is the great manifesting bio mechanism of creativity. Try dreaming, dream recalling, lucid dreaming, astral projecting, meditation, this is all DMT as well. These things will all accomplish the same thing.

Be safe, let go of the descriptions and definitions, let go of the ego and the true nature of reality unfolds itself(unfortunately you will have no way of describing it without your ego, not quite as tidy and quaint as anything one could visualize, but wow.)

Yes, that is why I want to unfold it because in those states SWIM can make amazing art, answer questions normally they couldn't even ask, etc.). I see what you're saying. I felt like I could just let go of it COMPLETELY (I have done this before) but it felt like there was still a void or something that I was manifesting from). I do see where you are going with this... I always say we could be in a much better place if the world just "opened its eyes" and became more accepting, loving, open-minded and still believe that to the fullest.

SWIM will breakthrough and completely let go of ego this time rather than holding on while doing it. The fear is actually awesome cause it's like OMG THIS IS GONNA BE INSANE YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA im in eternity. SWIM also felt as if he could be in this state all the time at some point but because of physical responses (pupil dilation from awe, projecting love on people, societal constraints such as proper conduct at work, judgmental or dominant individuals, etc.) it could lead to him being threatened or even harmed. Sounds like paranoia but even at a small fraction it seemed sketchy although SWIM knew nobody could directly see the visualizations and only his response which he was becoming very good at controlling.

So you believe that although there is some greater 'dream reality' there is still a biological mechanism? That's how I'm feeling as well but the WOW factor seems worth it. I will breakthrough releasing all thoughts and personality (SWIM is 100% sure they are capable) and see if their POV changes.

It also feels like the ego is having some purpose in doing what it is or some protective mechanism. If I fully let it go the delusion in some way is hindering SWIM's intelligence or could lead to dissociation like a bad lsd trip. Hard to say without going. During one trip SWIM saw some sort of "guardians" and fractal representations of his self PROTECTING him from external individuals, etc. opening the clouds but he brought himself down and stabilized and someone said 'he's learning'. lol weird

Ah I see it is like a constant jabber that is keeping us in glass houses like mimes almost.

Sorry to double-post but do you think that if you found a way to fully crucify the ego in sober state you would be in the euphoric DMT state (sounds fun even when scary)? Or could it possibly lead to a state similar to smashing a mirror into a million pieces with a hammer (doesn't sound fun). I mean if you found "heaven" could you hold onto it. SWIM's friend believes the walls would come crashing in but SWIM believes it possible.

You can't expect to hold onto this stuff, and it doesn't pay to get attached. The Earthside trip is crucial, and our hyperspace excursions are simply there to inform and broaden our daily perspective. IMO the real breakthrough comes when you realize that the distinction between "real" and "unreal" is just a part of the larger life metaphor. Enjoy it all and don't worry!

Yes the ego is a very important part of your protection, that is why you have it. What I mean by losing your ego will be able to stop all thought and experience whats left, this means when you come from it you wont have words for it, you wont need or want them either. An important part of tripping is to not indulge in anything in particular, dont indulge in any feeling, emotion, or vision. Simply be there. If you have this mindset you will soon find that you can "see" in one trip everything you need and never need the helpers again. I have taken many trips and still do like to. Just dont take anything too literally and dont indulge, and also i know this isnt easy. be responsible and smart! safe journeys.

Just so you know, I do not mean ignore many of the fascinating facets of psychs, simply dont indulge. I also think visualizing is really cool, but manifestation is only a part of the experience.