All over the internet I see mixed opinions on which people think have most mind fuck.... and all that makes me think is that those people either haven't done strong acid, or haven't done enough of it.

My max dose of each was about 7 grams of cubes (was seriously moreish in chocolate) and about 500, 600 mics of acid (4 150 mic tabs from a reliable source). How can people think mushrooms have more head fuck than acid? It baffles me. I need some back up here because I feel like I'm missing something!

everyone is different.

LSD is more predictable than shrooms, shrooms always throw me for an insane ride in the head. Obscure and sometimes scary realizations that make my head spin, I could go on..but that's just the nature of the experience of psilocybin for me.

i honestly don't see the point of the question because everyone is obviously different, and there is so many factors. Dose determines a lot as well..not to mention set/setting. They have similarities but to me they're both pretty different. Mushrooms are essentially oral dmt, imo. Whereas lsd, while it can take one to a hyperspace-esque out of body territory, is much different.

For me, I've taken really high doses of each, and lsd comes no where even remotely close to the level of mind warpage i've experienced while in hyperspace via mushrooms. IME, i can take the wheel and 'drive' the lsd experience much easier than mushrooms, and its much more predictable. Mushrooms at the proper dosage just take the wheel and any resistance on my part is futile

Obviously the actual answer to the question doesn't matter. I was just trying to gauge what people thought.

I respect peoples answers on this forum more than almost anywhere on the internet on this sort of matter so just wondered. If it came across in any other way then sorry!

its all good, just speaking my mind

I would have to do both again and then some to be properly equipped to answer this question but I'm in this odd position where my first true psychedelic experience was a heavy mimosahuasca dose, and so far my LSD and mushroom trips have not even approached the level of mind-bending that mimosahuasca has, even with the lighter doses. Both of those substances have seemed tame in comparison, but perhaps I haven't used enough. On top of that, I consumed a very small does of mimosahuasca on an LSD trip and the synergy was apparent, but the LSD was almost completely cancelled out. I've also smoked DMT on mushrooms, and that effectively ended the trip if I hadn't already come down. I'm not as interested in taking a lot of LSD as I am in taking a lot of mushrooms on any given trip, but I must admit that I felt more psychotic on LSD than when I have taken mushrooms, and that's not a good thing.

I've had my head bent plenty good by both compounds. IMHO - I would say the depth of bendyness is similar but the trips there and the "flavor" of bendyness for me are different. Of course the lengths of grooviness are different as well.

Everyone's different, but I tend to agree. Psilocybin has almost always been gentle with me (although I prefer doses from 0.5 - 2g, I have gone from 2-7g however)

I typically eat fresh cyanescens though .. when it's dried cubensis I pretty much go for the same, it's just obviously weaker. I've never been one to eat 7g .. It feels wasteful to me when I could use lower doses with harmalas or just enjoy a weaker trip.

Although at 2.8g fresh cyans it was pretty "mind-fucking," similar to acid.

For me LSD pretty much always has the capability to take a wacky turn and "mind-fuck" me. I think it has a lot to do with duration (I get a 10-15 hour trip, usually easily 15).

I've dosed anywhere from 0.5 - 12 tabs of (est. 100ug LSD, reliable source), but these days I get stronger acid (or am more sensitive to it) and only take 2-4. I haven't had it in over 2 years though because it tends to be so "mind-fuck"ing.

In general I'd just completely agree that LSD > Psilocybin in terms of mental turmoil, but to an extent that's part of it's value. I'm pretty sure the main cause of this is it's long duration.

But it really comes down to set-and-setting, dose, and personal issues.

"IME, i can take the wheel and 'drive' the lsd experience much easier than mushrooms, and its much more predictable. Mushrooms at the proper dosage just take the wheel and any resistance on my part is futile"--universecannon

After reading this I sort of agree, while still maintaining that for me LSD is more mind fucking. LSD is definitely more drivable: CEVs, OEVs, and thoughts are all yours to control—wheras psilocybin gifts you a journey. I think the main thing is I've had plenty of amazingly awesome LSD trips, but it came to a stage where I almost doubted my ability to be such a safe driver. Once that happened the disorientation of my LSD trips increased ten-fold.

Wheras I once valued the personal control of LSD as one of it's greatest attributes I now prefer psilocybin for it's gentle direction and warm feelings. I think ultimately the major deciding factor was length. I can direct an LSD trip for 6 hours, but then I just get tired and I start slipping and those slippages result in moments of mental turmoil and rarely terror. Wheras with Psilocybes I'm gifted a 2 hour journey of relative bliss, with a 5 hour afterglow of introspection and connection.

Seems your experiences are very similar to mine.

Recently all psychedelics except DMT leave me very frustrated because I never get where I want to be, in my head and in terms of visuals.

Generally when I do high doses of acid I do it all at once at the start of the night which may have something to do with it but I'm now convinced that mushrooms just don't work for me very well anymore. I did 5 grams of cubensis yesterday and got 0 visuals but a nice body high. If I tried really really hard I could notice a slight pattern.

Forums across the internet just make me think that people lie about the visuals they get. I saw a post on one totally random forum before while browsing that said this:

"Lol, I've seen some fucking amazing shit on LSD...
Full fledged alien ships attacking earth (I was hiding in the porta-potty wit hmy wife guarding the door)
Mountains totaly changeing shape.
Little round clouds forming a vortex shaped spiral, miles accross
The ocean inverting colours to change into electric blue asfar as the eye can see.
Streets breaking up and the houses drifting apart with bright orange magma streaming below and between.
12 foot tall dogs dragging their owners down the street."

I read this and thought to myself.... I get nothing even CLOSE to this. I imagine all this is speaking from pure jealousy. Extreme jealousy. But psychedelics are a big part of my life and have been for a few years now and I just feel like I'm not getting as much out of them as most people are able too.

O well. Try try try again ha.