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#1 Posted : 4/21/2012 9:37:22 PM
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So as I've been reading through the experiences with DMT, it appears to me that whenever it goes really bad, people who are unprepared for a bad experience will usually go into a cycled loop of feeling like they're dying and hoping it will end soon. But the people who are experienced in DMT will do something else, they will either just let it happen, knowing that it will end (knowing fighting it won't do any good), or in some cases, go into a sort of 'witness mode' where they detach themselves from what's going on, as if they're observing it from the 3rd person, as well as what is suggested you do in the Health and Safety section for negative trips/ dark entities.

My question, is what would you recommend to be the best ways for when the bad experiences come? Is it difficult to judge which method to use during the bad trip, or if properly prepared does it become second nature? Another thing is about how much control you have to be able to use the techniques listed in Health and Safety, it compares moving from negative to positive like switching from a normal dream to a lucid dream, has anyone had any difficulty in achieving this?

Also, has anyone ever noticed if there is a correlation to fearing or being nervous about a bad experience before smoking, and then having a bad experience? The reason I ask that is because my one friend who's very close to me and who I've been very open to about my desire to try dmt has told me how he doesn't want to try dmt, or any other strong psychedelic (like shrooms or LSD) for fear of it causing bad trips. He does however respect my decision to try it, as I respect his decision to not try it.

As I understand it, it's not really a matter of if a bad experience comes around, but rather when it does, so before I even try DMT for the first time, I feel as though I should take the resource that is this Nexus to my full advantage for assistance.
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#2 Posted : 4/21/2012 9:41:05 PM

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Bad and good are human concepts. This polarity is not necessary when judging and observing and becoming hyperspace in my humble opinion. I Think a lot of people mix up the concept of intensity with good/bad. Know this. Hyperspace will most likely be the most intense experience of your life if you do it properly. From my own experiences this goes way beyond good or bad. This might not make sense, but it is just the way that I see it. Check this if you've never seen it.

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#3 Posted : 4/21/2012 11:40:21 PM

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Personally I don't feel I make any "choice" of how to deal with bad trips, they just happen to me and I eventually return to baseline and ponder them. I haven't found any way of stopping them from being very scary at the time but I usually am conscious that they are a trip and will wear off... although a couple of times they have felt like they were not going to ever end.
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#4 Posted : 4/22/2012 1:29:13 AM

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IMHO it has to do with your ability to deal with anxiety, fear, and the extreme emotional/mental states that can arise with the use of psychedelics. Same thing happens in situations in real life, and people deal with them differently. Nothing to do with the drug, dose, or experience, but rather the individual.

DMT/LSD/whatever is just a catalyst. An unpredictable one at that. People unprepared to face their fears, deal with anxiety all those things that exist in normal life, might have trouble with psychs. But then again theres the people who have conquered those everyday life obstacles by intense psychedelic hell rides, through insights on how their emotions affect them and their mental health.

For me, it was realizing that fear, anxiety, all the stuff we tend to regard as bad, is not really that. Its just a part of the whole, a part of being human we cannot remove. The issue arises when the ego tries to retract/protect itself, rather than embracing the emotions, dealing with them/seeing them rationally, and moving on. I would get caught up in the "loops", but all that was happening was an imbalance of focus towards that, distorting the individuals perspective as a whole. Learning to accept it as it happens, that you have to deal with it at that moment as it is, and move on. Other wise it gets amplified beyond rational/realistic proportions in relation to the "good" feelings you get sober and on psychs.

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#5 Posted : 4/22/2012 2:04:20 AM
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Bad and good are human concepts. This polarity is not necessary when judging and observing and becoming hyperspace in my humble opinion. I Think a lot of people mix up the concept of intensity with good/bad.


I can more or less see what you're trying to tell me with that, but it doesn't quite 'click' yet... I suppose it is because I have yet to try DMT and know what it is you're talking about fully. And no, I did not see the link you included before now, has a lot of good advice to use.
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