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#1 Posted : 4/19/2012 2:49:59 AM
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Ive read a few things online about dmt and harmala to be indiginous to are minds/bodys and even produced naturaly by our pineal glands? ive also read about the fluride been fed to us what are your views on this? ive heard it calcifys the pineal gland? do you think maybe there is some kind of link? and what ar your views about everything i mentioned?
 

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I literally just answered your question in the chat...

‹۩› the word you are looking for is endogenous, it means within. Yes DMT is, no harmalas are not.

And like I told you, read the FAQ https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/FAQ we have your pineal question already covered.

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#3 Posted : 4/19/2012 3:02:07 AM
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Im trying to speak about a few things. like peoples opinions on why its in our brains and in so many other living things, and why fluride is in our water.
 
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its in our brains so that we can tickle gods feet while he does a wiggle dance of course.

(it's not actually in our brains) If you can bring me a scientific peer reviewed journal article saying that it is I'd love to see it.
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THBMUZIK wrote:
Im trying to speak about a few things. like peoples opinions on why its in our brains and in so many other living things, and why fluride is in our water.

Opinions are worthless, imo. Trust evidence and empirical data.
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proto-pax wrote:
its in our brains so that we can tickle gods feet while he does a wiggle dance of course.

(it's not actually in our brains) If you can bring me a scientific peer reviewed journal article saying that it is I'd love to see it.


i thought it was pretty well established dmt is present in the brain? The controversy is where its produced, afaik.

OP, regarding harmalas..you probably are mistaking MAOI found in the brain (like pinoline for example, which is made in the pineal) for harmalas. They are MAOI and i wouldn't be surprised if they had similar activity, but i dont think technically they are "harmalas"



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Pinoline, and other tryptoline derivatives (beta carbolines), etc, are all very structurally close to harmalas, and produced in the body.

DMT, 5-ho-dmt, have both been detected in urine from man. They are also very close structurally to setotonin, melatonin, and other tryptamine based neurotrasmitters in the body.

they're (tryptamines, beta carbolines) all over the natural world, plants, animals, fungus, etc. Almost all life have derivatives of those basic structures in some form. Many times overlapping between species.

In man non-typical tryptamines, and tryptolines are present, but the only evidence for that shows not in significant amounts (trace amines, lots of exotic structures floating around in our bodys).

That is to say, at the time of observation, they were not detected in amounts that would be considered to have a physiological affect. Not to say they could in other circumstances, perhaps it was just at the time of observation they were low, i'm just speculating there though. or perhaps in some way contribute to mental illness in those who have abnormally high levels of exotic trace amines. Those last parts are pure speculation though.

The only thing known about endogenous "harmalas & dmt", is that they are present, in low amounts. In the case of harmalas, not even the same structure, but closely related and possible that they have some kind of trace amounts of tryptolines in common with other species, but have not been detected as of yet.

anything beyond the fact that they're there, but in low concentrations and alongside other exotic amines that get dominated by serotonin and the other major neurotransmitters, is speculation. They could (and prob do imho) have some role in neurochemistry, but perhaps they're just evolutionary byproducts pushed aside by evolutionary forces that favored other structures. In that case they play no significant role, but its just a random guess, as theres no scientific data to back up those speculations.
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I literally just answered your question in the chat...

‹۩› the word you are looking for is endogenous, it means within. Yes DMT is, no harmalas are not.

And like I told you, read the FAQ http://www.dmt-nexus.me/FAQ we have your pineal question already covered.

Don't believe everything that you hear. Without evidence you are just perpetuating myth.


This is wrong house. Harmalas are found to be endogenous within the human body..as far as I know 10-methoxy-harmalan has been found to occur and I think 6-methoxy-harmalan is either thoght to occur or has already been identified in the human body. Pinoline itself is an active beta-carboline and all of these beta carbolines are biosynthed from melatonin as a precurser, and are though to be active. 10-methoxy-harmalan I have read is active in doses not a whole lot higher than LSD.

There is alot still to be explored when it comes to possible endogenous psychedelics.

http://www.sciencemag.or...nt/134/3480/674.abstract
^that does sound interesting..they dont mention outright there that it is endogenous, but this was mentioned below..

"THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN CITED BY OTHER ARTICLES:

Indole Compounds: Isolation from Pineal Tissue Science 2 April 1965: 102-103."

Here is that link..


http://www.sciencemag.or...nt/148/3666/102.abstract
^that is bovine pineal tissue though..

I know that Claudio Naranjo mentioned that 10-methoxy-harmalan was found to be endogenous as well in his book.
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