Ayahuasca has a feeling of "life" - and if done right will present nothing but love and connectivity. Isolated DMT is pretty strong and you don't have much time to situate yourself with what is happening and this can make you scared (but amazed none the less). Then you come down, and you forget all about it after the night unlike with the vine which can potentially leave you changed for many months to come if your mind will accept it.

Though SWIM does like to have him some DMT on hand when he's feeling the urge to see much more.


Do a search around here about ayahuasca.

Ayahuasca is as strong as DMT. It's all dose-dependant ofcourse. But it's more relaxed and because of that it seems milder. On the other hand, it takes at least 4 hours and with higher doses the duration increases up to 6 hours or more. Given the fact that you totally lose your sense of time, for some people this is a bit too much.

another hard part about aya..is when it starts to hit you REALLY REALLY hard..and youre not sure how far its going to take you..sometimes its a bit unnerving..knowing you are going to be like this for at least 3 hours..

be prepared for anything with aya..and its a good idea to tell SOMEBODY what you are doing just incase you need a friend

too much of both.. 3,5 and 10 is already very good if you have good starting material

maybe if you take way way way too much MAOI..but the only deadly natural psychedelics i know of are ibogaine(rare) and probably you can kill yourself on datura

10 grams of rue must be extremely unpleasant. The last time i did aya, i took a pre-made caapi-extract. This almost had no side effects at all! I felt a little warm and my coördination must have been a bit slower, but no unpleasant side effects. I even took twice the dose needed because i thought the stuff was too light. That's how little side-effects it had.

you only need 3g of rue..and ive heard the best way is to just make it like you would tea...grind up the seeds...put them in some sort of tea bag..and pour boiling water over them..and let it sit for a few minutes and then take it out...you get most of the maoi's and little of the other gunk that may make it taste really bad

But caapi is realy much, much, much better then rue.

An article reporting a woman who had passed on from a caapi brew in Canada:
http://www.cognitivelibe...ll/ayahuasca_canada.html
Reported high levels of nicotine poisoning


I have to agree here. Rue isn't really a vine... 'huasca:vine

Ayarue? ayaharmala?

And the t-bag method kind of works but imagine the concentration level was very low passing in 45min

Caapi is less potent, so you need much more of it (50 grams). But rue is quite toxic while caapi is quite healthy. You can feel the difference; rue has many unpleasant side-effects. With rue it's certain that you will throw up while with caapi this doesn't has to be so. Also, caapi is more relaxed.

Ok here's the lowdown:

True ayahuasca is not toxic. If you're brewing a traditional preparation of just chacruna and caapi, you couldn't possibly drink enough to kill you. The only fatal case of "ayahuasca poisoning" was the nicotine poisoning mentioned above. There is also a case of a fatal overdose of pharmahuasca where someone took WAY too much synthetic 5meo dmt with a maoi (I forget which one but it was probably moclobemide or some other synthetic).

Now rue is a different story. Rue is not ayahuasca. However I disagree with those that say caapi is "better" than rue (my plant spirit can beat up your plant spirit, yada yada). You just have to know how to work with rue. One must know the proper way to approach it.

Do NOT eat rue seeds straight up, unless you're a pregnant chick who wants an abortion. Yes there are a number of somewhat toxic alkaloids in rue, such as the uterotonic vasicine, that we normally don't want to ingest for our purposes, especially if we're female.

Brewing a tea is a bit better. The toxic components of rue aren't -as- water soluble as the ones we want. Some say just boiling water and pouring it over ten grams of seeds and steeping for a few minutes, as one would do with a tea, extracts enough of the beneficial alkaloids and not much of the toxic stuff.

Swim sez if you wanna drink a tea, brew with caapi vine. If you wanna use rue, do an extraction. It's actually VERY easy and rewarding to perform alchemy on rue, extracting the gold (harmine and harmaline) from the lead (raw seeds = massa confusia).
I have a tek posted on this. The gist of it is: Simmer seeds in 3% vinegar solution ~45 min (you don't even have to grind 'em up, in fact it's better if you don't). Strain and repeat. Combine liquids. Add 100g UNIODIZED sodium chloride per liter of liquid (morton's canning and pickling salt works great). Put in fridge overnight. Alkaloids fall to bottom of container. Pour off excess liquid and filter to collect alkaloids. Redissolve alkaloids in hot water and filter again to remove excess oils. Then while the solution is hot, add either ace hardware 10% janitorial strength ammonia or else add sodium carbonate, which you can get by baking baking soda (sodium carbonate is swim's preference these daze cuz it smells better). Alkaloids fall to bottom of jar given enough time. Pour off excess liquid, filter, and enjoy. To really clean 'em up, toss 'em in a little boiling water and filter again. They're in freebase form at this point so they won't dissolve, but any impurities will.
And yes any type of huasca experience is vastly rewarding and can change your life drastically. Swim now practices yoga and kung fu regularly, eats all organic healthy foods with no processed garbage, is happier, healthier, looks and feels younger... oh yeah, and he gets laid a lot more often now too. Working with this medicine has been the single most positive change in swim's life. Highly recommended.
Journey well brother!

Oh yeah and you're probly better off doing an extraction on the mimosa as well. Mimosa has a lot of tannins in it that make a brew hard to keep down, Swim always barfed his up before he got anything. Check out my nontoxic limonene tek on this forum for how to prepare mimosa for oral consumption. Swim's gotten better results from this method than any other form of preparation. When he went to peru last summer he brought some of this medicine with him and did a ceremony with 12 other people and everyone agreed his stuff was better than any "traditional" shaman's brew they had tried down there.

Oh and consumption of a MAOI CAN be fatal if done in conjunction with things like alcohol or certain medications. Do your homework first and make sure your body is clean of any toxins. By itself, a natural harmaloid/dmt preparation is physically safe. Just don't do anything stupid like eating several grams of pure freebase harmaloids or anything like that and you should be fine. Even then you'd probably just barf it all up but who knows... the farthest Swim's gone was 523mg of harmaloids, this resulted in intense purging for him. For some people however 400-500mg is actually needed to fully inhibit their enzymes, but this is the rare "hard head" exception. People who eat lots of fast food and have a high tolerance for other drugs are candidates for this phenomenon. Generally 200-300mg freebase harmaloid is plenty.

Yes the lady referred to in the above post died from nicotine poisoning not from MAOI's or DMT.

There was a report of someone ingesting 150grams of syrian rue seeds. He lived to tell about it.

Ayahuasca (which translates into, "Vine of the Dead", or "Vine of the Soul" IS the Caapi vine. Most people add admixtures (Chacruna or Chalipong leaf). Rue and Mimosa is its own experience.

I would NOT go over 2.5-3grams of rue made into a tea with 5grams of mimosa as a starting amount. Many people have a very very strong experience with as little as 2 grams of Mimosa (but they are the exception)

you can remove the tannins from the brew by adding egg whites. This makes the tannins coagulate with the whites and you should be able to separate globs of gak easily with a spoon to discard. It will rid most-but not all of the nausea caused by the brew.

You can overdo it though, so don't keep adding to get it clearer and clearer, you will lose much potency. Add just enough to make it look more like black coffee

Only do it on an unreduced brew or risk loosing much of your actives. You must use acid in you brew to use the egg white filtration method. A pH of 4 or so is fine, and the brew must be hot. Whisk the heck out of the brew while slowly adding 1-2 egg whites (no yolk). Strain with tee-shirt, or strainer and cloth/paper towel. Your brew should go from muddy to clear.

For me, it helps a lot with purging from the other end, and helps with the taste a bit, but I still have massive purges even using the egg white tek.

I used a phosphoric acid cold water extraction on some mimosa powder. Left it in the fridge for a week, shaking often. Used egg white before reducing, and it made a bitter, but manageable drink.

I usually pour out my dose into a glass and sip it over 10-15 min, and get absolutely no nausea. Powder gives nausea. Easy to pour out shots and gulp em down if you need a booster as well, no hassle weighing powder.